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To: Wuli

“That is the entire problem with Catholics.”

You’re about to show the entire problem of people who post about the Catholic Church and don’t understand what it is.

“The Roman Catholic Church is a human institution founded by humans, humans who believed, or taught, they were inspired by G-d AS TO WHAT WAS CORRECT BELIEFS ABOUT G-D.”

Jesus was a man, but also God. Jesus is the God-man. He founded the Catholic Church. The Church IS NOT a human institution, but there are human beings in it.

“Being inspired by G-d, as all who believe in G-d hope they are, is not the same as “founded by G-d”.”

What? If someone is inspired by God to do a thing, then that thing is a product of God’s inspiration. Sacred Scripture is inspired by God. We call it God’s Word. It was FOUNDED by God. It was inspired by Him. You would have been at least partially right if you had written:

“Saying you’re inspired by God, as all who believe in God hope they are, is not the same as “founded by God”.”

If you had written that, you would have been correct as regards a general principle. Not every man who says he is sent by God is in fact sent by God. Not every man who says God inspires him and his actions is, in fact, actually inspired by God.

The Catholic Church, however, was sent by God, founded by God.

“The Body of Christ is a spiritual body that includes humans that are living, but it is not, singularly, any human earthly institution but may see members of that body in various human religious institutions.”

The Body of Christ includes members who are no longer living on this earth but who have died and gone to Heaven for all passing through the final theosis. It is not merely a “spiritual body” for no human being on this earth is merely a spiritual being. The Church is a visible Body on this earth and we are its visible members. God only founded one Church. God only sent one Church.

““The Church” is not “founded” on “Peter” “the rock” (a play on words with the name Peter). It is founded on Peter’s answer to Christ as to what IS the foundation of His Church, and that answer (the foundation) is the belief, faith and knowledge that He is the Christ.”

No, the Church, according to Christ is founded on Peter, and not just his confession of faith in Christ. There are even Protestant scholars who admit this plain fact. Baptist scholar D. A. Carson, writes, in The Expositor’s Bible Commentary:

[T]he underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses (”you are kepha” and “on this kepha”), since the word was used both for a name and for a “rock.” The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with a dialect of Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses.

And I am well aware of the false argument less scholarly Protestants put forward regarding Peter as the Rock. I reject that false argument.

http://patrickmadrid.com/bam-bam-the-%E2%80%9Cpebbles%E2%80%9D-argument-goes-down-2/

Plenty of Protestants have rejected it too: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/10/peter-the-rock-protestant-contra-catholic-exegetical-bias.html

“That, the answer, not Peter, is what Christ declared to be the foundation of His Church. And who is in “the body of Christ”. Christ knows.”

In any case, your wrong about Peter the Rock. I can’t trust anything else you post.

“That said, the very human institution of the Roman Catholic Church can be “in schism”.”

Not with itself. People can be in schism with it. But it cannot be in schism with itself. That’s a logical impossibility.


19 posted on 04/01/2017 8:35:21 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

Fortunately for me, all the rest of Christendom, outside of the Roman Catholic Church agrees with me as to what the Roman Catholic Church is and is not. That is not a comment on persons who may be members of the Roman Catholic Church, but the human institution that that Church is.


20 posted on 04/01/2017 8:52:27 AM PDT by Wuli
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