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Francis Doesn’t Like the Seminaries Because They Form Priests Who Are “Rigid” and Incapable of “Disc
Chiesa Espresso ^ | December 16, 2016 | Sandro Magister

Posted on 12/15/2016 7:37:30 PM PST by BlessedBeGod

Over just a few days, a hailstorm of rebukes. Which show the pope’s irritation over the criticisms of “Amoris Laetitia,” these too the fruit, in his judgment, of a legalistic and decadent mentality.


ROME, December 16, 2016 – In this fourth autumn of his pontificate, Jorge Mario Bergoglio is showing special concern for the seminaries, meaning the formation of new priests.

On December 8, the feast of the Immaculate Conception, the Vatican congregation for the clergy published a new 90-page “Ratio fundamentalis” for seminaries all over the world, which in reality departs very little from the previous instructions issued in 2005, and also repeats as-is the ban on admitting to the seminary and to sacred orders “those who practice homosexuality, present deeply rooted homosexual tendencies, or support ‘gay culture’”:

> Il dono della vocazione presbiterale

This reconfirmation of the ban raised the predictable protest from those who were expecting from Pope Francis an “openness” in keeping with his famous motto “Who am I to judge?” And the Jesuit Thomas Reese, the former editor of “America,” has been the most adamant in calling for non-discrimination toward gay priests, who according to him are “between 20 and 60 percent” of the entire Catholic clergy:

> Yes, there are lots of good gay priests

But it is difficult to imagine that the reconfirmation of the ban could have escaped the attention of the pope, who has one of his most dutiful lieutenants in none other than Beniamino Stella, prefect of the congregation for the clergy. And then for Bergoglio theory is one thing and practice another, considering the number of homosexual priests in the circle of his closest collaborators and confidants.

More than the publication of the “Ratio,” the true indicator of the reason why the seminaries are so close to the pope’s heart is found in the discourses he recently dedicated to the subject.

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First of all it must be kept in mind what Francis said last October 24 in meeting with the Jesuits gathered to elect their new superior general, in the transcription released in “La Civiltà Cattolica” of December 10:

“Discernment, the capacity to discern, is the key element. And I am referring precisely to the lack of discernment in the formation of priests. We are in fact at risk of getting used to ‘black and white’ and to that which is legal. We are fairly closed off, by and large, to discernment. One thing is clear: today in a certain number of seminaries a rigidity has again established itself that is not closely compatible with a discernment of situations. And it is a dangerous thing, because it can lead to a conception of morality that has a casuistic sense. [. . .]

“I and those of my generation - perhaps not the younger, but my generation and some of the next - were brought up in a decadent scholasticism. We studied theology with a manual, and also philosophy. [. . .] It was that decadent scholasticism which provoked the casuistic attitude. And it is curious: the subject ‘Sacrament of penance’ was usually - but not always - taught by professors of sacramental moral theology. The whole field of morality was restricted to ‘permitted’ and ‘not permitted,’ ‘this far yes and this far no.’ [. . .] It was a moral theology very much estranged from discernment. [. . .] I believe that Bernard Häring was the first to begin seeking a new way to revitalize moral theology. Obviously in our days moral theology has made a great deal of progress in its reflections and in its maturity; by now it is not casuistic anymore.”

As can easily be noted, Bergoglio’s polemic against the “rigidity” that he still sees being taught today in the seminaries is interwoven with the much more important and grave controversy that divides the Church today in interpreting and applying “Amoris Laetitia,” on the key question of communion for the divorced and remarried.

It should suffice to look at the terminological resemblance between what the pope said in this conversation with the Jesuits and the telegraphic non-answer that he gave in the November 18 interview with “Avvenire” to the five “dubia” made public by four cardinals regarding none other than the post-synodal exhortation:

“Some still fail to understand, it’s either black or white, even though it is in the flux of life that one must discern.”

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In the second place, “discernment” is also a key word of the guidelines for seminaries published on December 8.

Cardinal Stella emphasized this in “L'Osservatore Romano” of that same day, in an interview presenting the “Ratio”:

“Discernment is a gift that pastors must exercise over themselves and, even more, in pastoral areas, to accompany and interpret in depth above all the complex existential situations by which the persons entrusted to us are often marked, burdened, and wounded.”

And to put to rest any doubt that this is the pope’s main concern, Stella continued by citing a remark taken straight from the words Francis spoke to the Jesuits:

“One thing is clear: today in a certain number of seminaries a rigidity has again established itself that is not closely compatible with a discernment of situations.”

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But the pope was even more explicit and biting in addressing the seminarians and superiors of the major seminary of Rome, in the homily for the Mass of December 9 in the chapel of Casa Santa Marta:

> Preti autentici

It must be added that the relationship between Francis, who is the bishop of Rome, and his seminary has never been a happy one.

With John Paul II and Benedict XVI the tradition had been established that the pope would go at least once a year to deliver a meditation to the seminarians, on the feast of the Madonna della Fiducia.

But Bergoglio, as soon as he was elected pope, interrupted this tradition and cancelled the visits. Only once has he granted the Roman seminarians a transient greeting, at the end of the ordination as bishop, at Saint John Lateran, of the new auxiliary of the diocese Angelo De Donatis on November 9, 2015. And he made a point of going in to greet them on his own, brusquely leaving outside the door both the cardinal vicar Agostino Vallini, who was accompanying him, and the rector and other superiors who were preparing to do the honors.

Francis has never explained in public the reasons for this aversion of his. Nor did he want to call any attention to the invitation he addressed to the seminarians and superiors of the major Roman seminary - although without the presence of the cardinal vicar and of the auxiliary bishops - to attend Mass with him at Santa Marta last December 9.

In the homily, however, he brought out all of his misgivings concerning the contemporary formation of the clergy, not caring that he was heaping them upon those with the misfortune of being present, who were treated as if they were the guilty ones.

Here are a few passages from it, taken from the official account in “L'Osservatore Romano”:

“In order to make themselves important, the priests take the way of rigidity: so many times, detached from the people, they do not know what human suffering is; they lose what they had learned in their own homes from their father, mother, grandma, grandpa, siblings.” In losing “these things they are rigid, those rigid ones who load upon the people so many things that they themselves do not carry.”

“Rigidity” means “whip in hand with the people of God: this is not permitted, this is not permitted.” And “so many people who draw near seeking a bit of consolation, a bit of understanding, are pushed away with this rigidity.”

But “rigidity cannot be kept up for very long, completely.” Above all “in its essence it is schizoid: you will end up appearing rigid, but on the inside you will be a disaster.”

And “together with rigidity” there is also “worldliness.” Thus “a worldly priest, rigid, is someone who is unsatisfied because he has taken the wrong road.” Precisely “with regard to rigidity and worldliness” Francis wanted to make reference to an episode “that happened some time ago: there came to me an elderly monsignor of the curia, who works, a normal man, a good man, in love with Jesus, and he told me that he had gone to the Euroclero to buy a couple of shirts, and he saw a young man standing in front of the mirror - he thinks he wasn’t more than twenty-five years old, either a young priest or one who was about to become a priest - in front of the mirror, with a cape, big and wide, with velvet and a silver chain, and he was looking at himself. And then he took the ‘saturno’ [hat], put it on and looked at himself: one who is rigid and worldly.” And “that priest - he is wise, that monsignor, very wise - was able to get over his grief with a bit of healthy humor, and he added: ‘And they say that the Church does not allow the priesthood for women!’” This is how “the trade that the priest practices when he becomes a functionary ends up in ridicule, always.”

Curiously, from the brief video released by the Vatican Television Center it appears that none of the Roman seminarians present at the Mass was wearing the cassock, a “ladies’” garment that Bergoglio doesn’t like:

> Casa Santa Marta, Santa Messa del 9 dicembre 2016

On the other hand, there are cassocks on all of the numerous seminarians from the regional pontifical seminary of Puglia “Pio XI,” whom the pope received on the following day in the Sala Clementina of the Apostolic Palace, together with their bishops:

> Udienza Pontificio Seminario Regionale Pugliese "Pio XI", 10 dicembre 2016


For this audience, the papal offices had prepared a written speech, which Francis however did not read, replacing it with one of his off-the-cuff speeches.

A very warm speech, entirely focusing on the positive and without a speck of that acrimony which shone through in the homily with his seminarians of Rome, and capped off with a festive group shot of the seminarians all packed together around the pope (see photo).

Here is the complete transcription of it:

> Grazie tante…


It remains a mystery why there should be this dual treatment, negative with the seminarians of Rome and positive with those of Puglia.

Just as an explanation remains to be given for the dramatic scarcity of vocations to the priesthood that the diocese of Buenos Aires suffered during the fifteen years of Bergoglio’s tenure as archbishop:

> La crisis de vocaciones impacta en la Iglesia


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: antipope; satansvicar

1 posted on 12/15/2016 7:37:30 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: BlessedBeGod

Somewhat related...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3504842/posts


2 posted on 12/15/2016 7:41:21 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (MAGA!!!)
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To: BlessedBeGod
Full title:

Francis Doesn’t Like the Seminaries Because They Form Priests Who Are “Rigid” and Incapable of “Discernment”

3 posted on 12/15/2016 7:43:24 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ. ~~~~ Appeasing evil is cowardice.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Francis is a Manchurian Candidate!


4 posted on 12/15/2016 7:49:44 PM PST by Castigar
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To: BlessedBeGod
Please always post the full title:

Francis Doesn’t Like the Seminaries. Because They Form Priests Who Are “Rigid” and Incapable of “Discernment”


5 posted on 12/15/2016 7:58:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Seminaries Form Priests Who Are “Rigid” and Incapable of “Discernment”

Isn't that what seminaries are supposed to do?

6 posted on 12/15/2016 8:00:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Thanks for the link. Bergoglio’s words cement his character as stuck in Plato’s cave of envy. Who is he jealous of? Every previous pope who could read latin and understand Aquinas.

“I and those of my generation were brought up in a decadent scholasticism. We studied theology with a manual. It was that decadent scholasticism which provoked the casuistic attitude.”

Lazy punk. Scholasticism seems “decadent” and sinful to high school students who fail to understand one simple paragraph of St. Thomas.

John Poinsot and Henri Renard were brilliant scholars and to say they wrote “manuals” and guides is an insult to both history and the Church.

“We studied theology...” Oh, really? I guess Bergoglio was absent on the days he was supposed to study fundamental theology.

We have a high school student pretending to be pope and crafty Cardinals protecting him. And to think that the Lord is watching and taking notes. I feel sorry for Bergoglio and his crew.

“In order to make themselves important, the priests take the way of rigidity.” Tragic. Bergoglio is scolding the idealist and energetic seminarians with fake faults while Bergoglio is genuinely rigid in his envy and rivalry.

Phew. It is easy to get addicted to getting frustrated about Pope Francis every day. I need a twelve step program.


7 posted on 12/15/2016 8:43:52 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: BlessedBeGod

Not Catholic.


8 posted on 12/16/2016 3:05:17 AM PST by Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey ("I have an open mind ... just not so open that my brain falls out onto the floor!!")
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To: Salvation

I did, in post #3.

And you don’t have to shout.


9 posted on 12/16/2016 3:20:07 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ. ~~~~ Appeasing evil is cowardice.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

For pastors there is a very real frustration when you are with people every day who are destroying themselves and others with sin. Even those who seem to want to repent, those in the gray areas that the Pope seems to talk about so much, they are so weak and vacillating. Discernment is a daily requirement.

But it is also a heavy cross, because there is no one to pat you on the back; no one to say you are wise to push this now, push that later. Even as a pastor seeking encouragement from another pastor, you know that the details that you include as you describe the difficult situation to him will influence his encouragement. It is so lonely to care so deeply and to think that you also helplessly understand.

There is a temptation to rigidity every day. Of course you don’t call it that, you call it spiritual leadership or moral clarity or courage or even cowardice depending on how you feel at the moment as you judge yourself.

Today a lady is relieved. She has been in an open conflict with her son over his job. They can barely get by, he needed that job. She thought that his boss was running an illegal business on the side. Yesterday he started a new job so she thinks it will be better at home. Maybe so.


10 posted on 12/16/2016 6:40:36 AM PST by BDParrish (One representative for every 30,000 persons!)
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