Vatican Expert: Is Amoris Laetitia Really a ‘Work of the Holy Spirit’?

ROME, December 7, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – Monsignor Pio Vito Pinto, the dean of the Roman Rota, has again reaffirmed his support for Amoris Laetitia and not the four cardinals' dubia on it, this time in an interview with Ed Pentin of the National Catholic Register.

The two synods from which Pope Francis produced Amoris Laetitia were works of the "Holy Spirit," Pinto told Pentin, echoing a statement Cardinal Blase Cupich made last month. The two synods were "the place where the spirit [works]," said Pinto. "This is the ecclesiology of the Church.”

However, Pentin pointed out that the claim the two synods "were the work of the Holy Spirit has disturbed some of the faithful" because of "the clear manipulation at both synods."

"I therefore reminded him that the most controversial topics failed to obtain a two-thirds majority in the first synod, and so should customarily have been rejected (the Pope authoritatively instead insisted they be carried over to the second synod)," wrote Pentin.

“Yes, but you bind the Holy Spirit to the two-thirds? That’s a bit special, no?” Pinto asked in reply.

Similarly, Cupich said at a November press scrum that Amoris Laetitia is the “fruit of two synods, and the fruit of propositions that were voted on by two-thirds of the bishops who were there." At the time, Pentin also called Cupich's bluff, pointing out that "despite the strenuous efforts by the Synod secretariat and others to manipulate and jostle the synod fathers into accepting the most controversial propositions … none of the three most controversial propositions managed to obtain a two-thirds majority during the first, Extraordinary Synod on the Family, in October 2014."

Pentin noted that 45 of the synod fathers were hand-picked by Pope Francis "because most of them supported controversial disciplinary changes in [sacramental....

The Holy Spirit cannot be confused. There is what is called the Vincentian Canon, e.g, the threefold test of true Catholicity which was expressed by St. Vincent of Lerins in AD 434. In it, that which “has been believed everywhere, always and by all” is how the Church differentiates between true and false tradition. It is the true test of antiquity, of consent and of ecumenicity.

To quote St. Vincent: http://www.ancient-future.net/vcanon.html

“Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. That is truly and properly ‘Catholic,’ as is shown by the very force and meaning of the word, which comprehends everything almost universally. We shall hold to this rule if we follow universality [i.e. ecumenicity], antiquity, and consent. We shall follow universality if we acknowledge that one Faith to be true which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is clear that our ancestors and fathers proclaimed; consent, if in antiquity itself we keep following the definitions and opinions of all, or certainly nearly all, bishops and doctors alike.”

I’m still trying to understand exactly what Amoris Laetitia is.

Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour. There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her? The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men, Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

John, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses five to twenty nine,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Here is a good explanation of the controversy of Amoris Laetitia:

(posted by NRx)

A good reference for those who need to come up to speed on the current events.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3499661/posts

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Q: What is this controversy among Catholics and Pope Francis about?

A: It concerns the appearance that Pope Francis is trying to change a perennial Catholic doctrine.

Thank you for the link; I had seen that before. You should have noticed that what I was saying is true. All Latin words, as many English words, are context dependent. There is nothing in the context which would justify this interpretation. Rather it is so obviously false that it reveals the disingenuousness of those who use this line of attack.

When you hear the theme song of a Flinstones episode, you will hear the lyrics say, “we’ll have a gay old tiiiime.” Any person who seriously thinks that to be a reference to sodomy has got a problem. When we go falala lala together, we might first “don our gay apparel”, which in that context means “brightly colored”. Whenever Sodomites refer to their relationships as “marriage” and when they refer to their feelings as “love” we are no more bound to their perversion of language than to their perversion of morals.

I hope you will read “Amoris Laetitia” and comment on it. Your thoughts on what is actually happening would be interesting.

If you wish to see the actual definition of amor check the link:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=amoris&la=la#lexicon

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