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1 posted on 11/28/2016 3:32:06 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

So those 4 Cardinal are not part of the College of Cardinals?


2 posted on 11/28/2016 3:33:54 PM PST by AU72
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So now they’ve gone from being ambiguous (the paragraph in Amoris Laetitia) to trying to deceive (Cupich saying that the bishops had voted on it, without saying they had voted it down) to flat-out lying?


3 posted on 11/28/2016 3:35:40 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ. ~~~~ Appeasing evil is cowardice.)
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To: ebb tide

> he also has been under critique for questioning whether Jesus Christ really was opposed to homosexuality.

Should have been defrocked.


4 posted on 11/28/2016 3:37:56 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: ebb tide

The elites of all stripes are realizing that the pendulum has reached its apex and if they don’t cram through their fundamental transformation right now they will never be able to.


5 posted on 11/28/2016 3:39:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (President Trump is coming, and the rule of law is coming with him.)
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To: ebb tide

Just as science isn’t about consensus, neither is religion. There is faith and truth. If you’ve been asked a question, answer it. Deflecting to how many friends you have doesn’t serve the cause of truth.

The Pope has sown confusion. He should clear it up. If he is in error, admit it. If he is not, he should be able to defend his teaching.


7 posted on 11/28/2016 3:43:21 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: ebb tide

Without having reviewed any particular history, I am suspicious of this BRAZILIAN Cardinal’s opinion on the subject.


8 posted on 11/28/2016 3:43:30 PM PST by G Larry (America has the opportunity to return to God.)
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To: ebb tide

Lord, have Mercy.

The ongoing absurdity of this Puntif (pun intended) and this Vatican has brought me to realize that the Church Militant is surely experiencing the purification, represented by our endurance and our devotion to the true faith and Holy Mother Church.

Through the warnings of Sacred Scripture itself and in the words of past Popes of Holy Church, we should not be surprised or taken unaware by the chomping jaws of the wolves.

It should be an honor to be so tested, as we were each created for a time like this. Thanks be to God that we are even still clear eyed, able yet to stand, and not blinded to the prowling evil spirits seeking the destruction of souls.

Pray that we are always made able to stand, by the Grace and Mercy of God, our Saviour.


9 posted on 11/28/2016 3:46:13 PM PST by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education is the farm team for more Marxists coming,... infinitum.)
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To: ebb tide

Really?

I am beginning to think the vatican has adapted the muzzie practice of takkiya.


10 posted on 11/28/2016 3:47:28 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: ebb tide

I’d love to read Dante’s take on our current pope and cardinals.


17 posted on 11/28/2016 4:21:58 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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Well, if they are all in agreement, Francis shouldn’t have any problem giving a clear five word answer consisting of some combination of “yes”es and “no”es to the dubia presented.

If he wants to double down, he can even attach a penalty to it or try to formally promulgate it and make it binding in some comprehensible manner on the whole Church.


18 posted on 11/28/2016 4:22:15 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: ebb tide
The pope says that we should walk together and that we should not exclude anyone. […] If someone wants to cut himself off, that is another case.

Another straw man.

The Church has never excluded anyone. It has always been open to those who accept its teachings.

It is we who separate ourselves from the Church (and Jesus) by our sins freely committed. The doors of the Confessional have always been open to the contrite and repentant.

21 posted on 11/28/2016 5:42:18 PM PST by marshmallow
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Perhaps then, the Cardinal should advise the Ope to answer the 4 questions.

Let’s see if there is full support.


22 posted on 11/28/2016 6:04:23 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ebb tide
In this interview, the former Archbishop of São Paulo commented, also, on the recent Dubia published by the Four Cardinals concerning Amoris Laetitia.

The Four Cardinals posed questions that are characterized by simple YES/NO answers.

Why not just answer the questions instead of talking and talking around them? That reaction is too common in politics.

23 posted on 11/28/2016 6:12:36 PM PST by olezip
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To: ebb tide

This is a pile of nonsense. Not ALL the Cardinals are with this.


24 posted on 11/28/2016 6:15:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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