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The Love God Hates
Grace to You.org ^ | 1993 | John MacArthur, Grace Community Church

Posted on 08/30/2016 2:25:38 AM PDT by metmom

"Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. And the world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God abides forever" (1 John 2:15-17).

If you love the world, you’re engaging in a love God hates.

Satan, from the very beginning of his rebellious activities, has been developing an invisible spiritual system of evil designed to oppose God and enslave people to sin. The apostle John identified that system as "the world," and warned us not to love it.

Satan has had many centuries to develop his evil system, so it is very effective on those who reject Christ. First John 5:19 explains that while we as Christians belong to God, "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one," whom Jesus called, "the ruler of this world" (John 12:31). In John 8:44 He identified certain unbelievers as children of their father, the devil, who is a murderer and the father of lies. That's how completely unbelievers are identified with Satan.

As a believer, you are identified with God. You have been delivered out of the domain of darkness and placed into the kingdom of Christ (Col. 1:13). You are from God and have overcome the evil one because the Holy Spirit who indwells you is greater than he who controls the world (1 John 4:4).

Sadly, Christians sometimes flirt with the very things they've been saved from. Don't do that. Satan and his system have nothing to offer you. They are doomed! First John 2:17 says, "The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God abides forever."

Suggestions for Prayer

If you've been flirting with the world, ask God's forgiveness. Praise God that someday Satan and his evil system will be vanquished.

For Further Study

Read the epistle of 1 John, noting the contrasts between the children of God and the children of Satan.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology; Worship
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1 posted on 08/30/2016 2:25:38 AM PDT by metmom
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To: Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; dragonblustar; Dutchboy88; ealgeone; ...

Studying God’s Word ping


2 posted on 08/30/2016 2:26:05 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

ping


3 posted on 08/30/2016 2:40:46 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: metmom

This is a great reminder, and I need to stop saying, “I love that food,” or “I love my car.”

I need to say, “I really like ‘X’.”


4 posted on 08/30/2016 2:53:27 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: metmom

God’s creations should be loved and revered by all. We’re not here to suffer(though that is sometimes part and parcel of it). Make the most of your time here.....in your work and your play.


5 posted on 08/30/2016 3:32:43 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: metmom

Wait a minute... I’m puzzled...

Is not God omnipresent and the “world exists within God?”

Is not “Love” what we are to strive for and to avoid hatred or fear? Didn’t Jesus teach us to even Love our enemies? I’m puzzled, how can I fill myself with God’s Love and hate anything?

Doesn’t God’s Love also cast out hatred and anger just as it does cast out fear? The three, hatred, anger and fear are very related.

Remember, it is not money that is the root of evil, it is our love of money or our attachment to it that opens the door to evil. The world is not evil and we should not hate it, we should just not be attached to it. Hatred of something also attaches us to it. Whether we are hanging on to something or pushing away from it, we are still keeping it close to us. We should be indifferent to the world if we are truly free and Love God.


6 posted on 08/30/2016 3:38:34 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tired&retired

The problem is that we confuse God’s Love which is unconditional and freeing with human love which is conditional and controlling.

To Love the world with God’s Love is to be free from it.


7 posted on 08/30/2016 3:40:47 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tired&retired
Is not God omnipresent and the “world exists within God?”

Yes, we know God is omnipresent. We also know God is Holy and is Spirit, and neither He nor Heaven are like fallen man or this fallen world.

Not certain your initial premise holds water.

About HOW can we hate: The OT word "hate" means to love less, if that's what you are trying to say. Scripture records several instances of things that God hates.
8 posted on 08/30/2016 3:54:23 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God..... Possibly the word "hate" in today's environment is not a true representation or metaphor for the original word "miséō."
9 posted on 08/30/2016 4:09:40 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Resettozero

I love coffee, and I love tea but not as much as coffee.. i.e I love tea less than coffee...

This does not mean that I hate tea.

While I agree with you in your word meaning in the OT, the word “hate” as it is understood to mean in today’s environment is not a correct translation.

The same type translation error is created by the term “fear.”
I cannot fear God as I Love Him so much that His perfect Love casts out all fear. If you translate fear as “to hold in awe or reverence” then I can agree with it.

The problem is not the word as much as the interpretive image it creates in the consciousness of the reader. If it creates the wrong interpretation based upon the original meaning, then it is the incorrect word to properly translate the original meaning.


10 posted on 08/30/2016 4:20:20 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tired&retired
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God.

That's the NT Word and is true. But your quoting of this passage amounts to a deflection from my first response to you. One could make an entire web forum out of folks continually deflecting from each other.
11 posted on 08/30/2016 4:21:05 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: tired&retired
I cannot fear God as I Love Him so much that His perfect Love casts out all fear. If you translate fear as “to hold in awe or reverence” then I can agree with it.

I keep in mind constantly the translation of "fear" to mean what you do.

But I do not fear what man can to to me; I hold in awe and reverence the One who can cast body and soul into the Lake of Fire forevermore.

One can love their earthly father and have profound fear of the consequences of obeying him. How much more so with our Father in Heaven.

[Time and again, when appearing to men, angels from God have said "Don't be afraid (of me)". Sometimes going on to imply "I am a created being just as you."]
12 posted on 08/30/2016 4:30:53 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: ConservativeMind

I love your post...


13 posted on 08/30/2016 4:31:27 AM PDT by Stormy_2021 (Pear Pimples for Hairy Fishnuts..!)
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To: Resettozero

...disobeying him...


14 posted on 08/30/2016 4:32:00 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

We are disagreeing on semantics. the question arises of whether the disagreement is of “formal semantics”, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, “lexical semantics”, which studies word meanings and word relations, or “conceptual semantics”, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning.

I just simplify it and say that the average reader misinterprets the original thought the author desired to communicate. Thus, the word “hate” is often as poor a descriptor due to its many possible interpretations as the word “Love” which has even more variations of meaning.


15 posted on 08/30/2016 4:32:10 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tired&retired
We are disagreeing on semantics.

I disagree that we are disagreeing. Perhaps I only meant to correct one mark of punctuation in your post, not to erase all you posted.

Thus, the word “hate” is often as poor a descriptor due to its many possible interpretations as the word “Love” which has even more variations of meaning.

Absolutely true, certainly when speaking what passes for "English" in 2016. Again, I do not sense you and I are disagreeing; just discussing.
16 posted on 08/30/2016 4:38:37 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: tired&retired

As a near death experiencer who has died, gone to heaven and experienced God’s “Love,” there is no word in any language that can come close to describing the nirvanic elation of the experience. It is not possible to understand the feeling unless you have experienced it.

It’s like trying to describe the smell of a rose to someone who never had a nose.

I am sure that we are in complete agreement, just lacking the correct words to communicate our thoughts. For that I apologize.


17 posted on 08/30/2016 4:42:46 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tired&retired
For that I apologize.

Never issue an un-demanded apology to a Southern mountain country fellow. He will have no idea what to do with it anyway.

Going into the Third Heaven, whether in or out of the body he was not certain, Paul heard and saw things defying description or any expression. Paul was speechless; imagine that.

It’s like trying to describe the smell of a rose to someone who never had a nose.

Like trying to describe the taste of rose petal wine to people WITH noses.
18 posted on 08/30/2016 4:50:46 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: tired&retired
"Is not “Love” what we are to strive for and to avoid hatred or fear? Didn’t Jesus teach us to even Love our enemies? I’m puzzled, how can I fill myself with God’s Love and hate anything?"

Yet Jesus commended the church at Ephesus for "hating" the works of the Nicolaitans, which he said "I also hate." Rev. 2.6

19 posted on 08/30/2016 4:54:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Resettozero

LOL.... Mountain boy here too. Originally a Yankee but now a Southerner! Will always be a Hillbilly no matter where I am....

Interesting you chose that scripture. That too was my experience. I don’t share that part of it as no one understands it. Heaven has many levels.. our Father’s Mansion has many rooms.. The “Tower of Babel” concept applies to the various levels as you rise above words and communicate thoughts directly as epiphanies.


20 posted on 08/30/2016 5:04:23 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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