Posted on 07/20/2016 6:07:01 PM PDT by amorphous
What specifically do you want interpreted? Zachary 14 is not a one note chapter, it reveals many implications for many different people.
Start reading.
You probably didn’t notice you’re posting in the Judaism forum.
Shabbat Shalom,
I would welcome some insight as to specifics of what you would like me to read as well as a valid link to it since the link you provided is not a valid web address. There are several sites that display the Aleppo Codex, please be more specific as to which site you are referring to.
Shalom
Did you have a father in your life ? If so, did you call him by his first name or by a common honorific (father, dad, etc.) ?
“Judaism = oral law/traditions that carried severe physical & financial consequences for breaking them. Today this is known as the Talmudism. Jesus definitely rebuked it and He specifically came to free His people from these man made yokes. Shalom
Did you read my post? By your answer you haven’t studied the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. I’ll re-post my earlier post in case you didn’t see it.
Jesus didn’t rebuke Judaism, but instead rebuked the people that twisted it into a religion of strictly works. Judaism was meant to be the Faith of Abraham with the works resulting from that faith. Christianity has the same beliefs as stated in James. There are religions that claim to be Christian that are still works based to this day. Judaism was/is a gift from God, if Jesus rebuked it then he would be against himself just as he referenced in Luke 11:18
Judaism was twisted into Talmudism, but it still doesn’t make the original Judaism wrong especially considering that many OT Prophets are in Heaven because they followed it with the Faith of Abraham and our Lord and Savior had to practice it perfectly to be sinless.
“man made yokes”
By your own words you have admitted the man made yokes not the yoke of Judaism, the gift of God. The Law points us to Jesus Christ it tells us just how pitiful we really are. It shows us our sins and points us to the Savior and Lord. Now connect the dots all together and you will have a better understanding of how our Christianity is a direct descendant of Judaism.
“What specifically do you want interpreted? Zachary 14 is not a one note chapter, it reveals many implications for many different people.”
Actually it does have a central theme which flies into the face of your original argument.
HINT: If it has an “ism” or “ianity” at the end of it, IT IS a man made religion that has taken His pure instructions and added heavy burdens to them which then takes away the freedom of the people to worship Him in Spirit & Truth as it was in the beginning, as it was for our father Abraham!!!
Judaism: “of Judah” : 2Kg 17:19 Yehudah, also did not guard the commands of YHWH their Elohim, but walked in the statutes (chuqqah:laws, appointments, ordinances, custom, traditions) of Yisrael which they made.
LONG before Babylon, Judah had already conspired to usurp the authority of YHWH by the "chuqqah" that she had made which today we know as "Judaism"!!!
Shalom
Indeed.
Amen!
‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Yeshua instructed us to love each other, to help each other, and to live righteously accordingly to his, and his father's Commandments.
Worship is a misnomer for love of God / Son. We're instructed to show our love of both by following their commandments.
John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
No he did not, in fact he used his reasoning to unravel the truth about his biological father's idol worship, and teachings.
Truth is highly prized by the creator of us all (as well as obedience). Find truth and you will find him. Obey and you will be rewarded accordingly. These are not my assumptions, this is what scripture tells us; both history and current events prove it to be true.
The Redeemer *is* the Law. It's his identity from the ground up. He has keys to open the prison and set the captives free. Key of David: mercy, compassion, love.
So much was written concerning him. Son of David = character of David. Recognize the Messiah by recognizing David. It's why the common people heard him gladly, whereas the experts were (are) confounded. What did the blind and the lame cry out? "Son of David, have mercy..."
Who would ever be able to validate a 3000 YO pedigree anyway? There are much more reliable ways to identify the true heir.
Starting with the lowest form of humor. That ought to frost the experts. :)
You shall know them by their fruits, whether they be of Elohim or not.
Shalom
JESUS
Tehillim Chapter 28
A Psalm of David
8 YHVH is their strength, And he is a stronghold of salvation to his anointed.
יְהוָה עֹז־לָמוֹ וּמָעוֹז יְשׁוּעוֹת מְשִׁיחוֹ הוּא
Yeshua ot Moshiach is He...
Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? ... Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
...though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of?
Those things result in death!
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life...
Romans 6:15-22
You still haven’t answered the Zachariah 14 question which was what this conversation started as.
“Show me in the OT where YHWH calls His faith that was in Abraham, Judaism?
You know good and well that he is called a Hebrew which came to be used interchangeable with Jew and no one not even Christ said that was incorrect.
“Abraham did not obey men, he did not attend synagogue in order to understand our Creator’s instructions (Torah).”
What Church did Jesus Christ attend?
Oh wait He didn’t, He attended and taught in those Synagogues and followed the law perfectly and showed us why Abraham had so much faith in the coming Messiah. He criticized those Jewish leaders for following tradition (Mark 7:13) and not following the laws of God. He consistently criticized the Jews for not having faith (Matt 17:17) in the Messiah (faith of Abraham) John 8:56
“Judaism = oral law/traditions”
You do realize that Judah came well before Moses right? You realize that Jesus was a Jew right? You realize that all the oracles of God came through the Jews right?
“HINT: If it has an “ism” or “ianity” at the end of it, IT IS a man made religion that has taken His pure instructions and added heavy burdens to them which then takes away the freedom of the people to worship Him in Spirit & Truth as it was in the beginning, as it was for our father Abraham!!!”
Just because Judaism turned wrong over the years doesn’t mean that it started that way. By your definition then Christianity is all wrong because of the great falling away or jw’s, mormons, and rcc that have twisted Scripture into something that it is not.
“ianity”
Christianity is the true relationship of people with God through Jesus Christ Acts 11:26.
“LONG before Babylon, Judah had already conspired to usurp the authority of YHWH by the “chuqqah” that she had made which today we know as “Judaism”!!!”
Well I’m glad that you have never usurped God, but as for the rest of us we have fallen short and by the Grace of God we are still loved, forgiven/forgivable, and redeemed/redeemable.
Your legalism ideas are exactly what turned Judaism and Christianity into religions that you claim to be against.
You still haven’t answered the Zachariah 14 question which was what this conversation started as.
“Show me in the OT where YHWH calls His faith that was in Abraham, Judaism?
You know good and well that he is called a Hebrew which came to be used interchangeable with Jew and no one not even Christ said that was incorrect.
“Abraham did not obey men, he did not attend synagogue in order to understand our Creator’s instructions (Torah).”
What Church did Jesus Christ attend?
Oh wait He didn’t, He attended and taught in those Synagogues and followed the law perfectly and showed us why Abraham had so much faith in the coming Messiah. He criticized those Jewish leaders for following tradition (Mark 7:13) and not following the laws of God. He consistently criticized the Jews for not having faith (Matt 17:17) in the Messiah (faith of Abraham) John 8:56
“Judaism = oral law/traditions”
You do realize that Judah came well before Moses right? You realize that Jesus was a Jew right? You realize that all the oracles of God came through the Jews right?
“HINT: If it has an “ism” or “ianity” at the end of it, IT IS a man made religion that has taken His pure instructions and added heavy burdens to them which then takes away the freedom of the people to worship Him in Spirit & Truth as it was in the beginning, as it was for our father Abraham!!!”
Just because Judaism turned wrong over the years doesn’t mean that it started that way. By your definition then Christianity is all wrong because of the great falling away or jw’s, mormons, and rcc that have twisted Scripture into something that it is not.
“ianity”
Christianity is the true relationship of people with God through Jesus Christ Acts 11:26.
“LONG before Babylon, Judah had already conspired to usurp the authority of YHWH by the “chuqqah” that she had made which today we know as “Judaism”!!!”
Well I’m glad that you have never usurped God, but as for the rest of us we have fallen short and by the Grace of God we are still loved, forgiven/forgivable, and redeemed/redeemable.
Your legalism ideas are exactly what turned Judaism and Christianity into religions that you claim to be against.
And as I said, Zach 14 contains several messages for many peoples, which would you prefer I address? Would you like me to begin with the fact that upon Messiah's return, the majority of those who call themselves “Jews” are going to be sent into exile again? Would you like me to expound upon this end times exile that is also written of by Ezekiel so to bring the exiled ones back under the bond of the covenant with Messiah that they broke, and how as it was in the wilderness, so it will be again, many who claim to be Israel will be purged from His midst (rebellion of Korah which is modern Zionism) and NEVER enter His Promised Land?
And FYI, Hebrew does NOT equate to Judaism in the slightest, Judaism is man made, a Hebrew is one who has turned from the religious doctrines and traditions of men in order to serve God as He desires to be served, in spirit & truth while never looking for an earthly reward, but for the reward of eternal life to come in the city whose make is God.
Shalom
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