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Pakistani Muslim Clerics Allow Transgender Marriage
churchmilitant.com ^ | June 29, 2016 | Rodney Pelletier

Posted on 06/29/2016 10:01:44 PM PDT by Morgana

LAHORE, Pakistan (ChurchMilitant.com) - A group of Muslim clerics in Pakistan issued a religious decree on Sunday declaring that transgender people can marry.

So-called transgenderism exists in the majority-Muslim country and is more widespread than Westerners might expect. In 2009, Pakistan added "third gender" to national identity cards, allowing them to vote in 2011, and in 2012 allowed them the ability to inherit property and assets. According to a 2009 census, up to 300,000 Pakistanis identified themselves as transgender.

The religious decree — known as "fatwa" — declares, "The hijras are human beings and they have rights given by Islam. Through this fatwa, we want to inform the public that they can marry."

It specifies, however, that biological men can only marry biological women. "It is permissible for a transgender person with male indications on his body to marry a transgender person with female indications on her body." It also allows "normal men and women" to marry transgender people.

The clerics actually go so far as to say God (Allah) made them that way.

"Making noises at transgender people, making fun of them, teasing them, or thinking of them as inferior is against Sharia law, because such an act amounts to objecting to one of Allah's creations, which is not correct."

It also asserts that parents who deny inheritance to their transgender children are "inviting the wrath of God."

The legalization of transgenderism in Islamic countries may surprise some Westerners because of the assumption they are more conservative, even ultra-conservative. But facts show issues like homosexuality, especially homosexual pedophilia, are prevalent and accepted in many Islamic countries.

Afghanistan's dancing boys, called "bacha bazi" and translated "boy play," is a practice revived after the Taliban lost power in Afghanistan. Boys as young as 10 are sold by parents to rich men and warlords, dressed like girls and made to dance for groups of men. Often, after dancing, they are passed around and raped. PBS's documentary "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan" describes the horrors these boys suffer. Men who participate claim they are not homosexual because they are not "in love" with the boys.

American soldiers stationed in Afghanistan are told to ignore the incidents of homosexual pedophilia they witness on a daily basis because it would damage the working relationship the U.S. government has with the Afghani government.


TOPICS: Islam; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: homosexualagedna; islam; koranimals
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Further proof that allah is actually satan
1 posted on 06/29/2016 10:01:45 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Yeah but this may calm down those ISIS guys a bit. Cheer them up anyway.


2 posted on 06/29/2016 10:06:18 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Rise up America! This country can't take eight more years of Marxism and Socialism.)
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To: Morgana

That is surprising. The Pakis and Indians are not known for treating women with the greatest of respect. Maybe some busybody first-world politician said, they will not receive the same amount of foreign aid until they start allowing for Trans and Gay marriage. The ‘Happy Couple’ would probably still need to keep their marriage plans and place of ceremony secret. Somebody may want to throw a pitcher of acid in the Newlywed’s faces; ‘In the name of Allah’, of course.


3 posted on 06/29/2016 10:07:50 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

Unlike Judaism, Christianity, and even Islam, none of the Indian based religions are against homosexuality. In fact they don’t mention or condemn at all. Their mild resistance to homosexuality in practice is due to British cultural influence.


4 posted on 06/29/2016 10:18:17 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Morgana

Further proof that allah is actually satan


Absolutely nothing holy about allah. Allah is not holy.


5 posted on 06/30/2016 12:31:06 AM PDT by boycott (--s)
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To: Morgana

If Barack had a son, he’d be a “third gender”. From Pockystan.


6 posted on 06/30/2016 4:25:33 AM PDT by tunedin
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To: Morgana
American soldiers stationed in Afghanistan are told to ignore the incidents of homosexual pedophilia they witness on a daily basis because it would damage the working relationship the U.S. government has with the Afghani government.

And rape (of adults and children), and violent domestic abuse.

7 posted on 06/30/2016 6:49:09 AM PDT by GregoTX
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"Unlike Judaism, Christianity, and even Islam, none of the Indian based religions are against homosexuality. In fact they don’t mention or condemn at all. Their mild resistance to homosexuality in practice is due to British cultural influence."

Comment, LJ?

8 posted on 07/01/2016 2:20:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( "Yoda stops teaching, just because his student does not want to hear? No. A teacher Yoda is.")
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To: Morgana

They are saying a man who claims to be a woman can marry a woman who claims to be a man. Seems like that is a no brainer.

Freegards


9 posted on 07/01/2016 2:30:53 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Manu Samhita, upon which Hindu law used to be based upon and to some extent in rural areas is still given the nod, condmens homoexual acts very strongly. The entire text is available on “Sacred Texts”, a website that has everything on it. I’ve read the entire Manu Samhita when I found it in a library years ago, and read parts again since. Homosexual behavior in a many is punishable IIRC by castration, and a woman by making a hole in her nose and cutting a finger off. Something like that. I may have the details incorrect, and of cousre who knows how severely people were punished. But sexual immorality was extremely frowned upon not just socially, but legally.

On the contrary, Islam has been rife with pederasty for a long time, maybe since the beginning (I do not know) but their practice of molesting young Hindu male adolescents and boys was one of the many reasons Hindus loathed the moslem conqerors. I’ve seen a Moghul style miature painting of Aurungzeb in a bed with a Hindu adolscent boy.

The idea that Hinduism was tolerant of homosexual behavior is sheer ignorance.

Thank you!

(Comp. malfunctioning, I can only turn it on for a few minutes at a time!)


10 posted on 07/01/2016 3:36:22 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

correction - in a male by castration. WIll have to check that for accuracy


11 posted on 07/01/2016 3:37:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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Sagar, you stated that " none of the Indian based religions are against homosexuality. In fact they don’t mention or condemn at all. Their mild resistance to homosexuality in practice is due to British cultural influence."

However, a second look into the issue shows that this is not necessarily the case.

#10

Quote from above link:

"The Manu Samhita, upon which Hindu law used to be based upon and to some extent in rural areas is still given the nod, condmens homoexual acts very strongly. The entire text is available on “Sacred Texts”, a website that has everything on it..... The [Muslim] practice of molesting young Hindu male adolescents and boys was one of the many reasons Hindus loathed the moslem conquerors. .... The idea that Hinduism was tolerant of homosexual behavior is sheer ignorance."

It is interesting to me that Mohandas Gandhi, who revered sexual continence as a high spiritual ideal within Hinduism, opposed contraception because he saw that the splitting of sex away from its procreative design, would pave the way for perversions like homosexuality:

"If mutual consent makes a sexual act moral, whether within marriage or without, and, by parity of reasoning, even between members of the same sex, the whole basis of sexual morality is gone and nothing but misery and defect awaits the youth of the country… It is futile to hope that the use of contraceptives will be restricted to the mere regulation of progeny. There is hope for a decent life only so long as the sexual act is definitely related to the conception of precious life. This rules out of court perverted sexuality and, to a lesser degree, promiscuity. Divorce of the sexual act from its natural consequence must lead to hideous promiscuity and condonation, if not endorsement, of unnatural vice."

The original source of the Gandhi quote online link

Gandhi repeatedly made the connection between the spread of artificial birth control and an increase in homosexual behavior, arguing that a sexual ethic based simply on the gratification of passions would make it "the rage among boys and girls to satisfy their urge among members of their own sex."

This was a radical prediction to make at the time (the 1920's) , but Gandhi insisted that his position was fundamentally aligned with traditional Indian/Hindu cultural and spiritual values, equating sexual gratification, whether hetero- or homosexual, divorced from its procreative aspect, as barbarism. This was not a notion he got from the British, whose leading social elites were admirers of Marie Stopes, early Sexual Revolution enthusiasts, like the Sangerites in the USA.

12 posted on 07/01/2016 4:48:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (They say what's up is down, they say what isn't, is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you. I wondered about the veracity of that statement, although I didn’t wish to spend time fact finding on it.


13 posted on 07/01/2016 4:53:31 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes indeed, procreation and sex were not separted in Hindu theology. In fact, in the Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan (Godhead) states “I am sex desire (kama) which is in accordance with religious principles”. Which being, within marriage, with the aim of producing children to raise in service of and in accordance with God’s will.


14 posted on 07/01/2016 5:43:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

BTW that part of a verse is from a chapter in the Bhagavad Gita enumerating a list of great, wonderful or beautiful things in the world that represent God’s power or glory, beauty, might, etc.

So He is saying that sex within marriage, for children, represents God.


15 posted on 07/02/2016 8:16:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

The beautiful love of husband and wife!


16 posted on 07/02/2016 9:48:03 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whatever is true, honorable, right, pure, lovely, excellent, worthy of praise: dwell on these things)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

When the relationship is husband, wife and God - nothing can compare.


17 posted on 07/02/2016 1:13:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Morgana; windcliff; stylecouncilor
"You will get along beautifully in America." --Karl, "Casablanca"
18 posted on 07/02/2016 1:29:41 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: little jeremiah

Amen!


19 posted on 07/02/2016 3:45:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whatever is true, honorable, right, pure, lovely, excellent, worthy of praise: dwell on these things)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Natural law, created by God.

Break at one’s peril.


20 posted on 07/02/2016 4:00:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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