While I am a Christian, I don’t believe in the traditional Trinity.
It is inconceivable to me that Christ while on the Cross would cry out “My God my God, why has thou forsaken me?” ...and later “It is done, into thy hands I commend my spirit”
The trinity makes no sense in this instance, Why would god talk to himself in this in his greatest agony almost as if he were a person with a multiple person disorder.
Of Course, if Christ was calling upon God his literal Father in Heaven instead of the mysterious containing one in three, three in one, but never one, but never three requirement of the Trinity.
Welcome to the wide world of heresy.
Actually, that makes you a non-Christian, by definition.
I see where you’re coming from, teppe.
In Revelation 20:11 John writes, “And I saw a great white throne, and HIM (not THEM) that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them”
The Father is not the Son. They are one divine substance, but not one identity. It makes perfect sense for the Son to pray to the Father; he's not "talking to himself" by definition.
Why do you think mere humans could possibly comprehend all that the doctrine of the Trinity is about? Some things we accept by faith because God said it. Jesus said repeatedly He was God. Old Testament Messianic prophesy says the Messiah would be “God with us”. That He would be “Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). So, either we accept what He said or we call Him a liar. I don’t have to understand how it all works, I just have to believe His word.
I will not convince you of the paradoxical dual nature of Christ, since the nature of God cannot be fully studied by a being of lesser intelligence (meaning all of us), only analogized. However, this question is easy: Christ is reciting Psalm 22 and simultaneously fulfilling it, the same way he read Isaiah at the beginning of His ministry and simultaneously fulfilled it.
“My God My God why have you forsaken me. Read Psalm 22. What joy I had when I realized that this statement of Jesus from the cross was referring to this psalm. All raised in the Torah who heard these words knew exactly what he meant. It is finished. Its the final cup - the one he did not drink at the Last Supper.
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Keep seeing the plain meanings, teppe. Watch the house of cards fall. It's a big house.
Speaking of simple meanings that shock and offend, Joseph was Jesus' father. A virgin birth isn't that complicated. Even mankind figured out a crude way of getting around the natural method of conception, and that was almost forty years ago.
Weird stuff all right, but haha, Sarah was ninety. Absurd, isn't it. Yeah, an entire nation built upon an incredible absurdity. Is anything too hard for the Lord? Gotta laugh!
The outcasts will have their day. :)
Study the anthropology of man as provided in His Word.
It took the Church some 400 years just to get through the doctrine of the Trinity. It is a basic and worthy study.
Some have described it colloquially in this fashion:
God the Father Wrote the Play (His Plan).
God the Son performs the play.
God the Holy Spirit focuses the spotlight on God the Son throughout the play.
One God, three Persons, and man was made in His image, with a body, soul and spirit.
Study the Doctrine of the Hypostatic Union.
The first statement you quote is also evidence that Christ was judicially imputed with our sin. He was perfect, but God the Father would have nothing to do with sin, except than to judge it.
The penalty of sin was death, and the separation of the spirit from the Son, shows He did suffer death spiritually, as well as soulishly when he descended to Hades, and physically when pierced with the spear.
This was a strategic victory of man at the Cross over the Adversary. It is the basis for the Good News, because now He is risen, we know we also may share in that victory through faith in what Christ provided at the Cross.
Full disclosure: You're a Mormon who believes in an unlimited number of gods, including Joseph Smith and, if you're lucky, yourself, and a harem of Mormon wives. This you believe even though God says He is the one and only Lord, and knows no other gods beside Him.
Christians do not consider Mormons Christian, consequently.
The trinity makes no sense in this instance, Why would god talk to himself in this in his greatest agony almost as if he were a person with a multiple person disorder.
This is a gross misinterpretation and one whose answer is obvious. What you should be asking yourself is this:
If Jesus is just one God of many, how come He's Almighty?
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.