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The Danger of Schism (Catholic Caucus)
The Moynihan Letters (via email) | 04-28-2016 | Robert Moynihan

Posted on 04/28/2016 2:03:16 PM PDT by NRx

April 28, 2016, Thursday -- A Prominent German Theologian Warns of the Danger of Schism

"That it is a rupture is something that is seems obvious to any person capable of thinking who reads the texts in question." —Prof. Robert Spaemann, 89, a leading German Catholic philosopher, in an interview yesterday on the Pope's document Amoris laetitia ("On the Joy of Love")

 

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It is "hard-wired" into the "genetic code" of the Christian faith -- and into the historical memory of the Christian faithful -- that there will always be temptations to leave the "straight and narrow" path, temptations to change doctrine, temptations to introduce "heresies," temptations to betray the faith handed down from Christ and the Apostles, what we call "the deposit of the faith" (depositum fidei).

 

This is the "capital" which the Church is entrusted with, the "treasure" she must guard with fidelity, even unto death -- and this is the reason why cardinals where red, symbolizing that blood which they must be willing to shed rather than see any harm come to the deposit of the faith.

 

The protection of this "deposit" is the task of all of the leaders of the Church, all of the bishops, and pre-eminently of the Bishop of Rome.

 

It is also the task of all the faithful: to "keep the faith," to "hold fast to the faith," to preserve "the faith once handed down," no matter what temptations to change it or set it aside may arise.

 

At the same time, there is a second dynamic also always present, a dynamic of study and interpretation.

 

It is the dynamic of theological study and argument -- and there is nothing to be afraid of when this dynamic seeks to interpret the faith, to come to a deeper understanding of the faith, to clarify the deeper meaning of the faith.

 

This interpretation and clarification is the precise work of theology, of theologians, of those who seek to peer into the meaning and purpose of "God's ways" -- even if his thoughts are not our thoughts, nor His ways, our ways...

 

In this process, as Blessed John Henry Newman taught, there can be a "development" of the faith. A growth, an enrichment, a deepening, a more profound understanding.

 

But this "development" must always be "in continuity" with the faith once handed down.

 

It must never break with that faith. Never betray that faith.

 

This is the fundamental reason why we can never have a "new" Church, because that would suggest that there was an "old" Church now superseded. This would make two Churches, "ours" and "theirs," the "modern" Church and the Church of "those people back then."

 

But the Church is one. One, holy, Catholic, and apostolic.

 

This Church is, by analogy with human marriage, the... "Bride of Christ."

 

One bride, one Lord -- such is our faith. The unity of the Church, and the uniqueness, the singularity, of the Lord Jesus (Dominus Iesus).

 

This "singularity," this uniqueness and irrepeatability of the two partners in this "marital" union, is one reason why our theology of marriage holds that there cannot be a second husband, or a second wife, and more than there could be a "second Church" or -- and I hesitate even to write these words -- a "second Lord."

 

So the Church is one, undivided, and we cannot have two or more Churches.

 

And this means a unity over space, and over time -- the "mystical communion of the saints" throughout the world, from East to West, and from the beginning until the end of time.

 

We cannot have an "old" and a "new" Church, Catholic Church version 1.0 and Catholic Church version 2.0.

 

No.

 

We can only have one, united, historically continuous Church that deepens its understanding of her beliefs, but does not alter them, or abandon them.

 

And one of the great "temptations" of our time, the post-Conciliar period, has been to embrace the false belief that we have became a new Church, a "Conciliar Church," different in profound ways from the "pre-Conciliar Church," through the dramatic processes of the Second Vatican Council from 1962 to 1965.

 

It would be heretical to believe this. It would be a denial of the faith to say we had one Church "back then, before the Council," and another Church "today."

 

Holding all of these elements together -- the duty to preserve the faith, the need to update our understanding of the faith, to "do theology" -- is not easy.

 

Again, it is part of the "genetic code" of the Church that precious truths -- priceless truths -- must be handed down unaltered, and all preserved in a harmonious whole, the "deposit of the faith," as they were handed down to us, but that new ways of expressing those truths must be developed in every generation to enable those unchanging truths to be understood by new generations in new contexts.

 

And this brings us to our current predicament.

 

Because one of the good friends of Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, the respected Catholic German philosopher Robert Spaemann, 89, has just come out in an interview with a warning about the recent document of Pope Francis.

 

Spaemann warns that passages of the document represent, not a development of doctrine, but "a break (or rupture) with the doctrinal traditions of the Church." (link)

 

And he warns that this "rupture" brings with it a risk of schism: "The Pope should have known that with such a step he splits the Church and leads her toward a schism. This schism would not reside at the periphery, but in the very heart of the Church. God forbid."

 

However, Spaemann's reading the Pope's apostolic exhortation may not be the only way to read the document. And I am continuing to work on a comprehensive piece about the text which will take Spaemann's reading into account, but not come to such a dramatic and negative conclusion.

 

Stay tuned...

 

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The Spaemann Interview

 

The Catholic News Agency (CNA) news service (which is connected with the late Mother Angelica's EWTN Catholic television network), has bureaus in a number of countries, and a journalist in the bureau in Germany, Anian Christoph Wimmer, has just published an interview with Spaemann. It appeared in German first and is now out in Italian thanks to the Vatican journalist Sandro Magister. (link)

 

Spaemann is a professor emeritus of philosophy at the Ludwig-Maximilians University of Monaco of Bavaria. He is one of the leading Catholic philosophers and theologians in Germany. He lives in Stuttgart. His latest book published in Italy was God and the World. An Autobiography in the Form of Dialogue, published by Cantagalli in 2014.

 

Here is my own English translation based on the Italian.

 

It is worth noting that Spaemann is the same age as Emeritus Pope Benedict, who turned 89 in April.

 

 

Spaemann: "It's chaos made into a principle with the stroke of the pen"


This following is a translation of the interview on Amoris laetitia that Spaemann (photo) gave exclusively to Anian Christoph Wimmer for the German edition of the Catholic News Agency on April 28.

 

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Professor Spaemann, as a philosopher, you followed closely the pontificates of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Many believers today are asking whether the post-Synodal Exhortation Amoris laetitia of Pope Francis may be read in continuity with the teaching of the Church and of these Popes.

Prof. Robert Spaemann: For most of the text that is possible, even though his line leaves room for conclusions that can not be made compatible with the teaching of the Church. In any case, Article 305, together with footnote 351, which states that the faithful "in an objective situation of sin" may be admitted to the sacraments "because of mitigating factors," directly contradicts Paragraph 84 of Familiaris Consortio by John Paul II.

What was John Paul II's central concern?

Spaemann: John Paul II declares human sexuality "real symbol of the giving of the whole person" and, more precisely, "a union that is not temporary or ad experimentum ("for an experiment"). In Paragraph 84 he affirms, then, with total clarity that the divorced and remarried, if they wish to receive communion, must give up the sexual acts. A change in the practice of the administration of the sacraments would therefore not be a "development" of Familiaris Consortio, as Cardinal Kasper holds, but a break with its essential teaching, on the anthropological and theological level, regarding marriage and human sexuality.

The Church does not have the power, without there being a prior conversion, to give a positive value to sexual relationships, through the administration of the sacraments, dispensing "in advance" the mercy of God. And this remains true no matter what the judgment may be of these situations whether on the moral level or on the human level. In this case, as in the case of women priests, the door here is closed.

Could one not argue that the anthropological and theological considerations you mentioned could perhaps be true, but that the mercy of God is not bound to these limits, but connects to the concrete situation of each person?

Spaemann: The mercy of God is at the heart of the Christian faith in the Incarnation and Redemption. Certainly the gaze of God falls upon every single person in that person's concrete situation. God knows every single person better than that person knows himself or herself. The Christian life, however, is not an educational exhibition in which one moves toward marriage as toward an ideal, as it seems it is presented in many passages of Amoris laetitia. The entire scope of relations, especially those of a sexual nature, has to do with the dignity of the human person, with the person's personality and freedom. It has to do with the body as the "temple of God" (1 Cor 6:19). Any violation in this area, no matter how frequent it may have become, is therefore a violation of the relationship with God, to which Christians are called; it is a sin against His holiness, and always and continuously is in need of purification and conversion.

The mercy of God consists precisely in the fact that this conversion is made continuously and ever again possible. This mercy, certainly, is not bound within certain limits, but the Church, for her part, is obliged to preach conversion and does not have the power to go beyond the existing limits by the administration of the sacraments, causing, in this way, some violence against God's mercy. This would be proud arrogance.

For this reason, the clerics who stick to the existing order do not condemn anyone, but take into account and announce this limit with regard to the holiness of God.

 

It is a healthy proclamation.

 

To accuse them unjustly, for doing this, of "hiding themselves behind the teachings of the Church" and of "sitting on the chair of Moses... to throw stones at people's lives" (Paragraph 305), is something that I do not even want to comment on. I note, just in passing, that this text is exploited, playing on a deliberate misreading of that Gospel passage. Jesus says, in fact, yes, that the Pharisees and scribes sit on the chair of Moses, but he stresses that the disciples have to practice and observe all they say, but do not live like them (Mt 23:2).

The Pope would like us not to focus on the individual phrases of his exhortation, but on the work as a whole...

Spaemann: From my point of view, focusing on the passages cited above  is entirely justified. Before a text of the papal Magisterium, one cannot wait for people to rejoice because it is a nice text and pretend not to notice decisive sentences, that change substantially the teaching of the Church. In this case there is only one clear decision between yes and no. Give or withhold Communion: there is no middle way.

Pope Francis in his text repeats that no one can be condemned forever...

Spaemann: I find it hard to understand what he means. That it is not licit for the Church to personally condemn anyone, let alone eternally -- which, thank God, she cannot even do -- is something quite clear. But, when it comes to sexual relationships that objectively contradict the ordering of Christian life, then I really would like to know from the Pope after how long and under what circumstances an objectively sinful conduct turns into a conduct pleasing to God.

Here, then, is there really a rupture with the traditional teaching of the Church?

Spaemann: That it is a rupture is something that is seems obvious to any person capable of thinking who reads the texts in question.

How was it possible to come to this rupture?

Spaemann: That Francis positions himself at a critical distance from his predecessor, John Paul II, was already seen when he canonized John Paul together with John XXIII, when he deemed unnecessary for the latter the second miracle that, instead, is canonically required. Many have rightly perceived that choice as manipulative. It seemed that Pope Francis wanted to relativize the importance of John Paul II.

The real problem, though, is an influential current of moral theology, already present among the Jesuits in the 17th century, which supports a mere situational ethics. The quotes of Thomas Aquinas used by the Pope in Amoris laetitia seem to support this line of thought. Here, however, the fact that Thomas Aquinas knows objectively sinful acts, for which admits of no exception linked to situations, is obscured. These acts include disordered sexual behaviors. As he had done already in the 1950s regarding the Jesuit Karl Rahner, in an essay that contains all the essential arguments, still valid today, John Paul II has rejected situation ethics and he condemned it in his encyclical Veritatis Splendor.

Amoris Laetitia also breaks with this magisterial document. In this regard, moreover, do not forget that it was John Paul II who made the theme of his pontificate divine mercy, dedicating to divine mercy his second encyclical, discovering in Krakow the diary of Sister Faustina and, later, canonizing her. He is her authentic interpreter.

What implications do you see for the Church?

Spaemann: The consequences can be seen already. Growing uncertainty, insecurity and confusion: from the episcopal conferences to the last parish priest in the jungle. Just a few days ago, a priest from the Congo expressed to me all his despair in front of this text, and the lack of clear guidance. According to the relevant passages of Amoris laetitia, in the presence of not-better-defined "extenuating circumstances," not only the divorced and remarried may be admitted to absolution for sins and communion, but everyone living in any "irregular situation," without requiring them commit themselves to abandon their sexual conduct and, therefore, without full confession and without conversion.

Every priest who holds to the sacramental order hitherto in force may undergo forms of bullying from their faithful and be put under pressure by their bishop. Rome can now impose the directive that from now on only "merciful" bishops will be appointed, bishops who are willing to soften the existing order.

 

Chaos has been erected as a principle with the stroke of a pen.

 

The Pope should have known that with such a step he splits the Church and leads her toward a schism.

 

This schism would not reside at the periphery, but in the very heart of the Church. God forbid.

One thing, however, seems certain: what seemed to be the aspiration of this pontificate -- that the Church would transcend her "self-referentialness" in order to go out to meet persons with an open heart -- with this papal document has been destroyed for an unforeseeable length of time.

 

One must now expect a secularizing boost and a further decline in the number of priests in large parts of the world. One can easily verify that, for some time, that the bishops and dioceses with an clear attitude in matters of faith and morals have the highest number of priestly vocations. It must be borne in mind here what St. Paul writes in his letter to the Corinthians: "If the trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?" (1 Cor 14: 8).

What will happen now?

Spaemann: Every cardinal, but also every bishop and priest, is called to defend in their own field of expertise the Catholic sacramental system and to profess it publicly. If the Pope is not willing to introduce corrections, it will be up to the next pontificate to put things back in place officially.



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Note: I (the OP) am not Catholic and will therefor not be commenting. This showed up in my email and I thought it worth posting. If you want a reply from me then send a pvt msg. Comments directed to me on here will be considered as general.

1 posted on 04/28/2016 2:03:16 PM PDT by NRx
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To: NRx

P.S. Sorry about the formatting. It’s how the html shows up. I am trying to preserve the links in the original email.


2 posted on 04/28/2016 2:04:25 PM PDT by NRx (It's sad when there is no one running for President that I can vote for with a clear conscience.)
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In the end there will be a great schism. The thing is to be a Victor!

Romans 10
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1100). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

1 Thessalonians 4
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1146). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

1 Thessalonians 5

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (pp. 1146-1147). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

Revelation 2
7 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the victor I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God.”’
- - - - -
11 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
The victor shall not be harmed by the second death.”’

17 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To the victor I shall give some of the hidden manna; I shall also give a white amulet upon which
is inscribed a new name, which no one knows except the one who receives it.”’
- - - - -
24 But I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not uphold this teaching and
know nothing of the so-called deep secrets of Satan: on you I will place no further burden,
25 except that you must hold fast to what you have until I come.
26 “’”To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
27 He will rule them with an iron rod. Like clay vessels will they be smashed,
28 just as I received authority from my Father. And to him I will give the morning star.
29 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
- - - - -
Revelation 3
4 However, you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments;
they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy.
5 “’”The victor will thus be dressed in white, and I will never erase his name
from the book of life but will acknowledge his name in the presence of my
Father and of his angels.
6 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
- - - - -
20 “’”Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and
opens the door, [then] I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me.
21 I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself
first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.

22 “’”Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”
- - - - -

* [2:7] Victor: referring to any Christian individual who holds fast to the faith
and does God’s will in the face of persecution. The tree of life that is in the
garden of God: this is a reference to the tree in the primeval paradise (Gn 2:9);
cf. Rev 22:2, 14, 19. The decree excluding humanity from the tree of life has
been revoked by Christ.

http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/2
http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/3


3 posted on 04/28/2016 2:08:43 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: NRx
However, Spaemann's reading the Pope's apostolic exhortation may not be the only way to read the document. And I am continuing to work on a comprehensive piece about the text which will take Spaemann's reading into account, but not come to such a dramatic and negative conclusion.

Ah, another one who will "clarify" things for us. /s

4 posted on 04/28/2016 2:20:52 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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This can’t continue. Francis is heretical in just about every sense - but he’s theoretically in charge and there’s no clear mechanism fit removing a pope. So what to do now?


5 posted on 04/28/2016 2:29:58 PM PDT by livius
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Tell him to retire - like he told his predecessor.


6 posted on 04/28/2016 2:52:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Catholic Church is the bride of Christ. Heresies can spin off, but they will spin out in time. Church is forever - even catholics hating the popes can’t stop it. Haters gonna hate.


7 posted on 04/28/2016 3:01:16 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: livius
This can’t continue. Francis is heretical in just about every sense - but he’s theoretically in charge and there’s no clear mechanism fit removing a pope. So what to do now?

Francis is doing just fine, not my cup of tea, but fine nevertheless. He has expressed some opinions, all his, he has changed NOTHING in Catholic teaching, he has asked us to do nothing not in accordance with Catholicism and has been heretical in NO sense....none.....nada.....nyet.....nil.

8 posted on 04/28/2016 3:03:52 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: NRx

+1


9 posted on 04/28/2016 3:10:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Tell the truth and shame the Devil.)
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To: terycarl

I truly hope you’re right.


10 posted on 04/28/2016 3:23:49 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history, Obama is the yellow stain in front)
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Francis’ slyly communicated heresies (e.g. Amoris Laetitia, footnote #351) are an indication that he is in material schism with his predecessors.

“...Citing footnote 351, Spadaro argued that Amoris Laetitia marks an “evolution” in the way the Church will approach its “accompaniment” of those in irregular unions. Spadaro argues that the exhortation introduces a new form of discernment, one that is “without limits on integration, as appeared in the past.” ...”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3422941/posts


11 posted on 04/28/2016 5:13:16 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: NRx
Note: I (the OP) am not Catholic and will therefor not be commenting. This showed up in my email and I thought it worth posting. If you want a reply from me then send a pvt msg. Comments directed to me on here will be considered as general.

Personally I find it odd that lately you, a non-Catholic, have been making a habit of posting Catholic threads. I don't know of any other poster who posts threads that pertain to another's religion.

12 posted on 04/29/2016 2:19:01 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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