To: Yosemitest
That’s so poorly researched and reasoned that it sounds like something from the drooler George Armstrong. I wonder if he knows his “church” has abandoned his nutty, stupid, anti-scriptural, bone-headed beliefs?
11 posted on
12/23/2015 9:01:59 AM PST by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: vladimir998
To: vladimir998
Read it from the Original Catholic Encyclopedia (OCE) then>
EARLY CELEBRATION. - - Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church.
Irenaeus and Tertullian omit it from their lists of feasts; Origen, glancing perhaps at the discreditable imperial Natalitia, asserts (in Lev. Horn. viii in Migne, P.G., XII, 495) that in the Scriptures sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthday; Arnobius (VII, 32 in P.L., V, 1264) can still ridicule the "birthdays" of the gods.
The first evidence of the feast is from Egypt. Clement of Alexandria, c. 200 (Strom., I, xxi in P.G., VIII, 888), says that certain Egyptian theologians "over curiously" assign, not the year alone,
but the day of Christ's birth, placing it on 25 Pachon (May 20) in the twenty-eighth year of Augustus.[Ideler (Chron., II, 387, n.) thought they did this believing that the ninth month, in which Christ was born, was the ninth of their own calendar.]
Others reached the date of 24 or 25 Pharmuthi (19 or April 20).
With Clement's evidence may be mentioned the "De pascha computus", written in 243 and falsely ascribed to Cyprian (P.L., IV, 963 sqq.), which places Christ's birth on March 28, because on that day the material sun was created.
But Lupi has shown (Zaccaria, Dissertazioni ecc. del p. A.M. Lupi, Faenza, 1785, p. 219) that there is no month in the year to which respectable authorities have not assigned Christ's birth.
. . . ORIGIN OF DATE. - - Concerning the date of Christ's birth the Gospels give no help; indeed, upon their data contradictory arguments are based.
The census would have been impossible in winter:a whole population could not then be put in motion.
Again, in winter it must have been; then only field labor was suspended.
But Rome was not thus considerate.
Authorities moreover differ as to whether shepherds could or would keep flocks exposed during the nights of the rainy season.
Arguments based on Zachary's temple ministry are unreliable, though the calculations of antiquity (see above) have been revived in yet more complicated form, e.g. by Friedlieb (Leben J. Christi des Erlosers, Munster, 1887, p. 312).
The twenty-four classes of Jewish priests, it is urged, served each a week in the Temple; Zachary was in the eighth class, Abia.
The Temple was destroyed 9 Ab, A.D. 70; late rabbinical tradition says that class 1, Jojarib, was then serving.
From these untrustworthy data, assuming that Christ was born A. U. C. 749,
and that never in seventy turbulent years the weekly succession failed,
it is calculated that the eighth class was serving 2-October 9, A. U. C. 748, whence Christ's conception falls in March, and birth presumably in December.
Kellner (op. cit., pp. 106, 107) shows how hopeless is the calculation of Zachary's week from any point before or after it.
It seems impossible, on analogy of the relation of Passover and Pentecost to Easter and Whitsuntide, to connect the Nativity with the feast of Tabernacles, as did, e.g., Lightfoot (Horne Hebr. et Talm., II, 32),
arguing from O. T. prophecy, e.g. Zach., xiv, 16 sqq.; combining, too, the fact of Christ's death in Nisan with Daniel's prophecy of a three and one-half years' ministry (ix, 27), he puts the birth in Tisri, i.e. September.
As undesirable is it to connect December 25 with the Eastern (December) feast of Dedication (Jos. Ant. Jud., XII, vii, 6).
The well-known solar feast, however, of Natalis Invicti, celebrated on December 25, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date.
For the history of the solar cult, its position in the Roman Empire, and syncretism with Mithraism, see Cumont's epoch-making "Textes et Monuments" etc., I, ii, 4, 6, p. 355.
Mommsen (Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum, 12, p. 338) has collected the evidence for the feast, which reached its climax of popularity under Aurelian in 274.
Filippo del Torre in 1700 first saw its importance; it is marked, as has been said, without addition in Philocalus' Calendar.
It would be impossible here even to outline the history of solar symbolism and language as applied to God, the Messiah, and Christ in Jewish or Christian canonical, patristic, or devotional works.
Hymns and Christmas offices abound in instances; the texts are well arranged by Cumont (op. cit., addit. note C, p. 355).
14 posted on
12/23/2015 9:35:47 AM PST by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: vladimir998
Too much waste of bandwidth.
32 posted on
12/23/2015 12:24:46 PM PST by
Biggirl
("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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