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Chaos at the Vatican: The Synod on the family, explained.
Weekly Standard ^ | 10/18/2015 | BY JONATHAN V. LAST

Posted on 10/18/2015 7:33:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Everyone talks about “chaos” in Congress just because Republicans haven’t chosen a new speaker of the House. If you want to see real chaos, look at Rome, where Pope Francis’s synod on the family has been a shambling disaster since the moment it started.

Check that—the meltdown started before the synod convened. The day before Francis kicked off the assembly, Monsignor Krzysztof Charamsa made quite a stir. Charamsa is not just a normal priest, but a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith—the division of the Church tasked with keeping track of doctrine and orthodoxy. (You may remember them from such films as The Inquisition!)

Anyway, Charamsa, it turns out, is gay. And not just theoretically gay, but practically so, having taken a gay lover. (Or rather, a “partner,” per news accounts.) This might sound like a small doctrinal problem for a fellow whose portfolio is overseeing doctrine, since the Church teaches that (1) homosexual acts are not rightly ordered; (2) sex outside of marriage is sinful; and (3) priests make a vow of celibacy. So Charamsa was 0-for-3.

But even that wasn’t the big problem. On October 3, Charamsa was removed from his post not because he was a priest engaged in an adulterous, homosexual affair in contradiction to his vows. No, Charamsa was removed because he was planning to lead a demonstration with a group of gay activists outside the Vatican as the synod convened in order to protest the Church’s “homophobia”—his word—and advocate that the synod recognize beautiful, healthy relationships like his. After all, as the Holy Father has said on the subject, “Who am I to judge?”

This may sound like an inauspicious start to Pope Francis’s great synod on the family.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; synod; vatican

1 posted on 10/18/2015 7:33:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Francis is the Catholic Obama.


2 posted on 10/18/2015 7:38:43 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Bingo!! He needs to be impeached.


3 posted on 10/18/2015 7:42:29 AM PDT by ZULU (Mt. McKinley is the tallest mountain in N. America. Denali is Aleut for "scam artist.")
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To: A CA Guy

There are also internal squabbles...

Two weeks after Charamsa was sacked, the pope’s supporters—the very ones who want to change Church doctrine—started leaking to the press that l’affaire Charamsa had been a conservative scheme to weaken Francis. Leonardo Boff, a theologian close to the pope, claimed that Charamsa’s protest was “a trap set by those on the right of the church who oppose the pope. . . . Because he didn’t do it in a simple way. But in a provocative way in order to create problems for the Synod and for Francis.”


4 posted on 10/18/2015 7:43:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The new Catholic ‘Charasmatic’ Movement. Heresy-—either follow the Bible’s teachings or start their own perverted religion. Can’t have it as all ways and whatever goes is acceptable.


5 posted on 10/18/2015 7:44:46 AM PDT by tflabo (Psalm 1)
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To: SeekAndFind

All of this was foretold........there had to be a great apostasy in the Church right before Christ returns.


6 posted on 10/18/2015 7:45:43 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: SeekAndFind

A right wing conspiracy suggested by left wing Marxist?

Where have I heard that before? Hmmmmm


7 posted on 10/18/2015 7:50:46 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Seem to recall a little, unpopular ancient Bible story about a little town called Sodom that God destroyed for its arrogant sexual perversity. Ahh must be just some old ‘fairy’tale written by ancient bigots and homophobes. Modern, progressive religionism celebrates all forms of sexual diversity as cherished holy rights of equality. Its in the new edited LGBT bible dontchyaknow.


8 posted on 10/18/2015 7:56:57 AM PDT by tflabo (Psalm 1)
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To: ZULU
Bingo!! He needs to be impeached.

No way to do it as far as I know.

9 posted on 10/18/2015 8:10:42 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind
I used to think this pope was just a dope, a simpleton. Now I believe he is nothing short of an anti-pope. I fear he is an agent of Lucifer and I know he is an absolute disgrace & disaster to the Church.

Pray he goes quickly and his Leftist Liberation Theology nonsense right along with him.

He should be removed right along with most of the Curia and a vast majority of the American and European Cardinals & Bishops. Benedict should return to reclaim the Chair of Peter and do his job! Serve his life sentence! When he accepted his post it was understood only death would end his reign.

Remember, word is he was runner up to Benedict years ago. Like Obama and evil in general, he has wasted no time in creating chaos, serious confusion and damage to the Mother Church and the only just rewards is a quick recall from Christ to receive his eternal judgment.

He is Hellbent on creating a Schism! While Christians, including Catholics of Eastern Rite Churches are slaughtered wholesale by the Godless heathens of Islam, this idiot Anti-pope fiddles and calls for ‘understanding’ and acceptance’ and non-judgement’ of open hostility to the faith by Sodomites, Lesbians, Adulterers, Fornicators & all manner of amoral scum who inhabit not only the highest ranks of the public realms, but those of the Church as well!

As I tell my mother and father. To change unchangeable Church doctrine on divorced and remarried and allow them to receive the Body of Christ while in a state of PUBLIC Mortal Sin means I will have allot more time to devote to sleep on Sundays as this Anti-Pope will have shown for all to see that he and all of Christendom is little more than a fraud. One that has been abandoned by those who are supposed to be most protective of it.

Vatican II was bad enough, it was at least not Heretical, simply misguided and stupid! This Synod should be boycotted by the true believers in the faith, especially those in red hats that are most entrusted with the direction of the Church. Many should call for the Pope to vacate the chair or face removal, by force if necessary!

Christ needs his Holy Warriors now more than ever!

10 posted on 10/18/2015 8:18:36 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Catholic Church under this Pope is doing anything it can to be politically correct and normalize things like homo marriage, presumably because A) the Pope is a far left liberal and B) they mistakenly think it will grow the church. I half expect them to actually roll out the Buddy Christ
11 posted on 10/18/2015 8:57:46 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: SeekAndFind

Brutal.

Francis jumped the shark awhile ago.

(I disliked him when he walked out on the balcony, and loathed him starting when he KNELT DOWN FOR A BLESSING from the crowd. Yuck. Yuck! YUCK!)


12 posted on 10/18/2015 9:27:30 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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To: Longbow1969

People often say the bishops (or the Pope) are doing things for the sake of popularity, or the “collection plate.” (Actually, nothing from parish Sunday collections goes to Rome.)

They are not that utilitarian. They are promoting homo marriage because they are homos, and they hate the Church.


13 posted on 10/18/2015 9:31:18 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The fact Charamsa was removed from his post, not because he was a priest engaged in an adulterous, homosexual affair in contradiction to his vows, but instead because he was planning to lead a protest symboli everything wrong with the Church today.

Yes, God will prevail in the end, but there will be much suffering until that time comes.


14 posted on 10/18/2015 10:09:18 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d guess it’s leftist and homosexual friendly priests who arranged the Charamsa debacle. They’re the ones who’d know a faggot priest.


15 posted on 10/18/2015 6:16:02 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: ZULU
Bingo!! He needs to be impeached.

Sorry, this cannot be undone because "The Church" is NEVER wrong.

16 posted on 10/19/2015 11:58:21 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Longbow1969
They call that the "Buddy Christ?"!

Incidentally, I find that image immensely sacrilegious and heretical.

17 posted on 10/19/2015 12:00:00 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: fwdude

Uhhh.. there is that issue of Galileo, plus Joan of Arc, plus a few more, err,, ERRORS!


18 posted on 10/19/2015 1:42:24 PM PDT by ZULU (Mt. McKinley is the tallest mountain in N. America. Denali is Aleut for "scam artist.")
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