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Head of CDF fears split as big as the Reformation
Cathcon ^ | 3 Sept | Cathcon

Posted on 09/03/2015 2:23:30 PM PDT by Gillibrand

The Prefect of the CDF, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, has criticized in Regensburg on Tuesday a "climate of the German claim to leadership for the whole universal Church". At a book presentation, he pointed out the high number of people leaving the church, the deserted confessionals and empty seminars and religious houses in Germany. Often he has been asked from where the establishment of the so-called "German Church" derives the claim to be pacemaker for the universal Church with all the symptoms of a dramatic decline precisely on questions of sexual morality and the Catholic teaching on marriage.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History; Theology
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1 posted on 09/03/2015 2:23:30 PM PDT by Gillibrand
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To: Gillibrand

It has already happened in just about every mainline Protestant sect.


2 posted on 09/03/2015 2:28:46 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Gillibrand

Hell, we now have the U.S. government arresting Christians for being Christian, that split may take down the whole United States.

And should if it doesn’t get reversed.


3 posted on 09/03/2015 2:31:50 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator

The Catholic Church in the United States would readily split as well, with a large number of the priests (maybe even the majority) joining with the UN-faithful to form an American church with Anthony Kennedy’s musings as its moral theology.


4 posted on 09/03/2015 3:15:06 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Gillibrand

IF the current nonsense had been nipped in the bud 60 years ago we wouldn’t see the collapse of the western Church due to the heresies that have been allowed to fester and mature over time.


5 posted on 09/03/2015 4:00:52 PM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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To: Legatus

I know. I love those who seem to think this is just a post Francis phenomena. The seeds were planted a long time ago.


6 posted on 09/03/2015 4:16:53 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

I know. I love those who seem to think this is just a post Vatican II phenomena. The seeds were planted a long time ago.


7 posted on 09/03/2015 6:10:25 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (http://www.freerepublic.com/~jeffchandler/)
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To: Gillibrand

Meanwhile, back at Francis’ ecumenical ranch:

“In 2017, Lutheran and Catholic Christians commemorate together the five hundredth anniversary of the Reformation,” Pope Francis.


8 posted on 09/03/2015 6:18:37 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
“In 2017, Lutheran and Catholic Christians commemorate together the five hundredth anniversary of the Reformation,” Pope Francis.

Commemorate is not the same as celebrate.....it was a disaster that cost millions of people to separate themselves from Christ's church and put their souls in jeopardy.

9 posted on 09/03/2015 7:51:26 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: Gillibrand
We need it. The split, that is.

The Church has long been bloated with non-believers, often clerics in positions of authority, who are essentially functional agnostics. They need to be gone. They can embrace the zeitgeist, receive the acclaim of the western, secular elites and bask in the adulation of the media but the Church must be purified. The "big tent" must be folded and put away for good. Time to turn our backs on the sodomites, the lavender mafia, the New Age nuns who are counting carbon credits.

The Church must become smaller, more humble, poorer and more evangelical. It must suffer persecution and become once again a sign of contradiction, rather than a sign of compromise.

Farewell Cupich, farewell Bernardin's fellow travelers, farewell the back-slapping, glad-handing Dolan, farewell you contracepting, aborting, sodomizing, self-absorbed, genital-obsessed pagans.

The split can't come soon enough.

10 posted on 09/03/2015 8:55:03 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: terycarl

Then shouldn’t the Pope of the Catholic Church be condemning it?


11 posted on 09/04/2015 5:04:12 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
Then shouldn’t the Pope of the Catholic Church be condemning it?

Popes have been doing that for 400 years and everyone knows the results of the revolution. It certainly wasn't a reformation because you cannot reform from the outside....only from the inside.

12 posted on 09/04/2015 1:02:31 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl

And why wouldn’t Popes CONTINUE to condemn it? History didn’t suddenly change after 400 years. Or are the Popes too worried about offending the poor Lutherans rather than speaking the Truth?


13 posted on 09/04/2015 1:10:49 PM PDT by piusv
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"I think it would be a fine thing if such a symbolic act could take place between Catholics and Lutherans," said Koch. However, it would not be about unilateral mistakes or demands for penitence.

"The Catholic side is not telling the Lutherans that they should repent," noted [Catholic Bishop] Feige.

Lutherans, Vatican move closer on 500-year Reformation anniversary cooperation

14 posted on 09/04/2015 3:46:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: terycarl; piusv

Below is the heresy which Rome jointly proclaimed in the:

JOINT DECLARATION
ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION

by the Lutheran World Federation
and the Catholic Church

“Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us unto good works.”

The above is a false confession of faith that was proclaimed by representatives of the Catholic Church.


15 posted on 09/04/2015 3:57:28 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Gillibrand

You know their grip has been lost when 99.9% of the population never heard of “the CDF.” And even fewer care.


16 posted on 09/04/2015 4:00:05 PM PDT by cookcounty ("I was a Democrat until I learned to count" --Maine Gov. Paul LePage)
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To: piusv
And why wouldn’t Popes CONTINUE to condemn it? History didn’t suddenly change after 400 years. Or are the Popes too worried about offending the poor Lutherans rather than speaking the Truth?

You can only beat a dead horse for so long and then it is just redundant....I'm certain that during meetings, conferences etc. the views of the Catholic church are made known and that everyone involved knows what they are.

17 posted on 09/04/2015 5:59:24 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: piusv
I know. I love those who seem to think this is just a post Francis phenomena. The seeds were planted a long time ago.

Indeed! Any manmade religion that claims to hold the keys to Heaven is bound to spit and fail. It's human nature, and fallible men will always seek their own glory over that of the Risen Savior.

Mark 7: ...6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Colossians 2: ... 6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, 7 rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces[a] of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

18 posted on 09/04/2015 6:16:21 PM PDT by WVKayaker (On Scale of 1 to 5 Palins, How Likely Is Media Assault on Each GOP Candidate?)
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Nevertheless Martin himself—and it gives us grievous sorrow and perplexity to say this—the slave of a depraved mind, has scorned to revoke his errors within the prescribed interval and to send us word of such revocation, or to come to us himself; nay, like a stone of stumbling, he has feared not to write and preach worse things than before against us and this Holy See and the Catholic faith, and to lead others on to do the same.

He has now been declared a heretic; and so also others, whatever their authority and rank, who have cared nought of their own salvation but publicly and in all men’s eyes become followers of Martin’s pernicious and heretical sect, and given him openly and publicly their help, counsel and favour, encouraging him in their midst in his disobedience and obstinacy, or hindering the publication of our said missive: such men have incurred the punishments set out in that missive, and are to be treated rightfully as heretics and avoided by all faithful Christians, as the Apostle says (Titus iii. 10-11).

Decet Romanum Pontificem

Papal Bull on the Condemnation and Excommunication of Martin Luther, the Heretic, and his Followers, January 3, 1521.
Pope Leo X


19 posted on 09/04/2015 7:22:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: terycarl
I'm certain that during meetings, conferences etc. the views of the Catholic church are made known and that everyone involved knows what they are.

Really? Then why did Catholics sign off on the heretical "Lutheran Accord"?

20 posted on 09/04/2015 7:25:26 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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