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To: SJackson; blam; SunkenCiv; jocon307; dfwgator
history buffs -- what do you think of Hagarism? I still think that the Prophet Mohammed didn't exist at all, but Hagarism seems to complement that -- a Semitic uprising against the Byzantine-Sassanid dual rule of Semitic lands seems very plausible

And tying this around a holy stone (perhaps the black stone of the Ka'aba is related or is indeed the black stone of Emesa (Elagabalus)?) and monotheism to create unity makes sense, right?

what do you think?

9 posted on 08/07/2015 2:55:32 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

I don’t have time to read the thread now, but why do you think Mohammed never existed? He’s pretty late, historically, is there really doubt that he was a real guy? I mean, the whole prophet gig might have been BS, or something attributed to him later, that wouldn’t surprise me, but it doesn’t sound like that’s what you are saying here.


11 posted on 08/07/2015 3:28:26 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Cronos; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Mohammed existed, but he didn’t invent consanguinous marriage — the latter is one of the big reasons Islam exists. Mohammed was a plagiarist and a gatherer of of largely misguided folklore, a power-hungry humorless cult leader, mass-murderer, and pedophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagarism

http://www.amazon.com/Hagarism-The-Making-Islamic-World/dp/0521297540

https://books.google.com/books/about/Hagarism.html?id=Ta08AAAAIAAJ

https://archive.org/details/Hagarism

Hagarism - Assyrian International News Agency
[pp. 55-60]
www.aina.org/books/hagarism.pdf


12 posted on 08/07/2015 3:43:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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[from the recesses of the hard drive]
Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?
by P.N. Oak
[Note: A recent archeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilisation and Arabia.]

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as 'Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:
"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya's behest."
For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:
"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".

13 posted on 08/07/2015 3:54:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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