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To: imardmd1
I don't contradict that Jesus was in a flesh form when Thomas put his finger in His side. Jesus' body was not in the tomb when this happened. So is it your contention that bones will remove themselves from graveyards at the so-called rapture?

It's my contention that the form Jesus had at the Thomas incident is not the form on the Mount of Transfiguration and no bones are coming out of any graveyard at the Seventh Trump.

825 posted on 08/05/2015 12:09:39 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Actually, Jesus didn't say "flesh and bone"; He said "flesh and bones" -- plural. That means when His disciples shook His hand, and saw his joints work, He had a skeleton as did His pre-Cross form. They heard his voice box produce sound waves, and observed him to masticate bread and fish. His reality was validated and vindicated, and was seen to operate just like any other human (except, of course, a stone wall will not be an obstruction). And from conception in Mary, He was, is, and always ill be fully human in operation. Otherwise, we could not have an Eternal High Priest to represent the human descendants of Adam before God the Father.

Yes, as the firstborn from the dead ones, the firstborn of many believer brethren who will also be raised up out of the dead ones with flesh and bones, changed instantly from corruptible form to the incorruptible new human body form. He was accepted as the exact prototype (except for the nail print and pierced side wounds) and perfect example of what they and we are to be, seen of them and more than 500 others over a period of forty days before He manifested the ability to pass directly from their presence in this dimension into The God's dimension which shares a coexisting interface with our three-dimensional temporal world.

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: . . ." (Col. 1:15 AV; Jesus being the referent here).

"For whom he (The Father) did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he (His Son) might be the firstborn (from the dead) among many brethren" (Rom. 8:29 AV).

Note that regenerated believer-disciple-priest Christ-followers already have their new spiritual nature, coexisting with the old carnal nature in this husk of flesh and blood and bones.

The risen human Jesus commanded the faithless disciple, ". . . be not faithless, but believing. . . . Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" (AV translation).

Be like Thomas yourself converted.

826 posted on 08/05/2015 4:28:24 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Speaking as having been trained in how to interpret the Bible, let me warn you not to get into interpretation by means of allegorical analysis or by mixing your metaphors and parables as in your Posts #820 and #822 and the like, for you will descend into an area in which you will never get out of, because you will have no standards of hermeneutics upon which agreement can be achieved.

The only way out, to find the truths of Scripture, is to employ the hermeneutic of literal, historical, cultural, contextual method in which any passage of Scripture can have one, and only one, primary interpretation to which all the context of Scripture lends itself. though literal interpretation contains both plain literal language and figurative-literal language, Figurative and /or allegorical interpretation is not normal. Figurative interpretation causes problems because it reads something into literature that is not plainly stated, and makes communication impossible where there is no fixed standard--only opinion--of what is being said.

So, using it, you will only get into arguments, even with those who show you what the Scripture plainly says.

Every statement of Scripture has only one sense (Isaiah 53:5, cf 1 Peter 2:24; this is about one's spiritual state, not one's physical sickness, which many try to apply it thus perverting the meaning). When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense--that is, commoonly accepted sense across the population--seek no other sense.

Got that?

827 posted on 08/05/2015 5:04:29 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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