Why Does Torah Law Allow Polygamy?

Chabad ^ | June 27, 2015 | Rabbi Tzvi Freeman, senior editor

[gattaca]

Yes, but Moses was given the law after they left Egypt.

[ravenwolf]

Polygamy was given to man by God, to be practiced under certain circumstances. But only when he commands it.

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That is the way it was and is, although I do not see the same thing you do about God reinstating polygamy.

But I can understand the past much better than I can the future.

I remember very well a magazine after world war two, a story with the heading ( American women, may we borrow your men? )

The male population of Germany had been so depleted that they were begging for American men.

Boy was i proud to be an American but wishing I was a couple of years older.

The wars between the Israelites and their enemy`s were much worse in terms of percentage of casualties so it would have been impossible for each woman to have her own husband unless polygamy was allowed.

And it was allowed, the founders of the nation from which we get our religion today, (although I personally do not see Christianity as a religion) was established by polygamists.

The people who are putting Polygamy in the same category with that dirty word which was made legal by the supreme court are just letting idealism blind them to reality.

[wastoute]

Because an event is in the Bible I would not take it to be prescribed.

[wastoute]

Re read the four patriarchs and reconsider the disastrous effects of those polygamist unions.

[ravenwolf]

Yes, but Moses was given the law after they left Egypt.

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That is true but where does he forbid polygamy and how does it change the fact that Abraham who was the friend of God was a polygamist and also Jacob the father of the tribes of Israel was a Polygamist.

I personally believe the ideal is one man and one woman but I loath the idea of putting polygamy in the same category as that dirty word which is an abomination.

[StormPrepper]

God does not eat or taste. God is Spirit. The divine nature of God is not altered by the Incarnation of Christ The divine nature is still divine and the human nature is still human.

Deut 4
28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

Moses warned against worshipping God's that don't eat.

Luke 24
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luke 24
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Do you worship Jesus as God? Does He eat?

Isaiah 4
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

What makes you think Isaiah in verse 1 refers to the millennial reign of Christ?

Because, it does. Unless you can come up with another day where all the all the fruit of the earth was excellent. Or God calling everyone in in Jerusalem holy.

The wicked and evil people of the earth are burned away at Christ second coming. Everyone left will be holy.

No, some of Isaiah's words ripped out of context might give a false appearance of such, but that's about it.

The only words ripped out of context are from those that try to rationalize Isaiah words away so they have no real meaning for the reader. I find that modern religionist do this with 99% of the Bible. I find that people do this because they think it absolves them of the true meaning of the words. Because when they accept the words for what they are, their house of cards that are their churches, falls.

and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage;

Marriage is an earthly ordinance. After the resurrection marriage cannot be performed.

for they cannot any more die; for they are equal to the angels, and are the sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

They are still saved into the kingdom of God, but can't progress any further. They will remain angels forever.

Matt 16
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The keys which the Lord is speaking of is the Sealing power. The keys to bind husband and wife together for eternity.

1 Cor
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

When we enter heaven are we no longer "in the Lord"?

The Lord explained it more clearly in the Doctrine and Covenants of my Church.

D&C 132
15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

This is what Isaiah is referring to. In that day, or the Millennium, that people will rush to be compliant with all of God's commandments. The greatest, which unlocks all the glory that God can give to His children, is being being sealed for all time and eternity by the keys of the Holy Priesthood by a man to his wife.

These woman, are saying, we will provide our own food and clothing, just please be sealed to us.

[StormPrepper]

Boy was i proud to be an American but wishing I was a couple of years older.

HA! I bet you were!

The people who are putting Polygamy in the same category with that dirty word which was made legal by the supreme court are just letting idealism blind them to reality.

Nicely put.

[StormPrepper]

Those are not the words 1 Cor 7:2.

Huh? ttp://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/7-2

Just because someone stamps "Bible" on it, doesn't make it legit.

[ravenwolf]

Because an event is in the Bible I would not take it to be prescribed.

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That is good thinking and at the same time I believe it is wrong to say something is forbidden when it is not.

Yes there were disasters and there have also been disasters in our day of monogamous marriage.

WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, to mention just a few.

Step fathers and step mothers seem to be more common than fathers and mothers and the worst possible nightmare a kid could have would be if his step mother turned out to ne a man.

Ishmael knew who his father was and helped bury him, and both him and Isaac had a woman for a step mother.

So when we start comparing polygamy with the free for all society of today I don`t think it looks so bad.

[wastoute]

Three distinct categories. Prescribed, proscribed, forbidden.

[ravenwolf]

Three distinct categories. Prescribed, proscribed, forbidden.

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And what does that say?

[wastoute]

Best to keep ones behavior in the prescribed category.

[MHGinTN]

As you are a Mormon this is directed to your religion.

Mormons have 'another religion'. They are not even contemplating the Christian Salvation or Messiah Who alone has the spiritual Life of God. Mormonism teaches to seek salvation after all that you can do to become worthy of The Grace of God in Christ. Since God's Grace is not imparted as payment due for worthiness, Mormons have no clue Whom The Christ is or why He died on the Cross to shed His blood for the Grace to be available to any who will believe on Him.

Mormons are without eyes to see or ears to hear The Gospel of Grace in Christ because their earthy eyes and ears are tuned to work their way to the fantasy salvation of the strange voice who delivered the gospel of Fallen Angels to Joseph Smith, which is to say delivered the great lie to Joseph Smith which is sadly believed to this day by too many lost souls perishing in Mormonism.

Mormons like to spout Bible verses to try and prop up their strange religion, but anyone who has studied that strange religion knows the first tenant of Mormonism is to doubt the accuracy of the Bible, thus Mormonism starts with the premise that The God of Christianity is not able ... Mormonism carries this even further, claiming the Gospel of Grace in Christ left the Earth with the death of the last Apostle and only when Joseph Smith was visited by one or two Angels --the story varies depending on which version Joe told is quoted-- was the True Gospel re-established among men.

As illustrated so graphically on the Day of Pentecost and in the House of Cornelius, Salvation is an immediate thing and God immediately sends His Holy Spirit Life into the believer born from above at that instance. Christian Salvation is not something to be earned after all that you can do. Such a lie makes what Christ accomplished on the Cross with His shedding of His blood less than what The Word of God declares that Deliverance to be.

[ravenwolf]

Best to keep ones behavior in the prescribed category.

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I see, which puts us right back to where we were, where does it proscribe polygamy? thanks.

[StormPrepper]

Here's something Elsie is fond of spamming at me. But in this case, I'll let his quotes speak for me in response to your post to me because they say everything I'm thinking and they are true.

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

... they say everything I'm thinking and they are true.

Golly!

We love you; too!

[Elsie]

Here's something Elsie is fond of spamming at me.

You ain't THAT special!

Your cohorts: teppe,Normandy, and williamrobert get the SAME info.

I wonder if THEY feel the same way about your chosen religion's past leaders and teacher and Prophets as you do...?

We'll not know unless they speak up.

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They will have a VASTLY larger audience for their own words than if they take the time to walk neighborhoods and pound doors.

A MUCH more efficient use of expert knowledge.

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[Elsie]

A MUCH more efficient use of expert knowledge.

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Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 

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If the above link does NOT function; try THIS one.   Click on the second image.

 

http://mormontruthnews.blogspot.com/2006/10/robert-millet-former-dean-of-religious_01.html

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

 

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

Polygamy was given to man by God, to be practiced under certain circumstances.

Oh?

I KNOW you hate the BIBLE; so we'll just have to use the D&C reference; right?

I’m so sick of hearing the word “Biblical” it makes me want to throw up.

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The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

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58 Now, as touching the law of the ^apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was ^aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that ^bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ^ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit ^dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse ^aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ^aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to ^amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be ^bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take ^aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

[Elsie]

Polygamy was given to man by God, to be practiced under certain circumstances.

The 'Inspired Version' (JST) was given to man by Joseph Smith, at the command of GOD, to be used, instead of the error prone KJV, under ALL circumstances.

I wonder why SLC's ruling class has FAILED to implement what GOD has directed?

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Although I am not surprised; considering they threw GOD's Eternal Covenant about POLYGAMY inder the bus; just to be let into the Union.