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The second of two musings on this subject.
1 posted on 06/13/2015 4:35:20 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Mercat

I have been promoting the fine television series “Wolf Hall,” available on Blu-ray now for only $23. It is a mirror reversal of “A Man for All Seasons” telling the famous story of Henry & Anne Boleyn from protestant Thomas Cromwell’s viewpoint. It gets deep into the woods of the Reformation and was very educational as well as marvelously entertaining.

I would not say that it was wildly anti-Catholic (I couldn’t bear to watch it if it was) but simply tells a different tale from a different point of view.

I enjoy educating myself on protestantism even though I disagree with it.


2 posted on 06/13/2015 5:18:04 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: Mercat

Where does it say Sola Scriptura in the Bible?

What Happened for the 1st 4 Centuries when there was no BIBLE?

What happens to the Illiterate who can’t read?

What happens when 80% of New testament transpires in Greek speaking territories and the Apostles quote Greek version of Old testament?

Of the 33576 Protestant sects in USA which one is the ONE TRUE sect representing the CHURCH?


3 posted on 06/13/2015 5:37:44 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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To: Mercat
Why I'm a Catholic. Sola Scriptura isn't Workable, Part II
Why I'm Catholic. Sola Scriptura isn't workable Part 1
Why I am a Catholic
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[Why I Am Catholic]: Because I Love the Bible [Catholic and Open]
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[Why I Am Catholic]:Welcome to the Ever Persecuted Church! [Catholic Caucus]

[Why I Am Catholic]: Because Vincent de Paul Was Once A Muslim's Slave
[Why I Am Catholic]:Welcome to the Ever Persecuted Church! [Catholic Caucus]
[Why I Am Catholic]: Lent And Holy Week (A Primer) [Catholic Caucus]
[Why I Am Catholic]: Because God Became Man (Despite His Flawed Human Ancestors)
[Why I Am Catholic]: Because of the Protestant Reformers Beliefs On Mary
Why I Am Catholic: For Purgatory, Thank Heavens (Ecumenical)
(Why Am I Catholic?) For Peace While Suffering (A Few Words for Wednesday)
[Why I am Catholic]: Because I Love the Bible
(why am I Catholic?) Because I Awoke from a Long, Bad Dream
Why I Am Catholic: For All the Saints: Bernard of Clairvaux

4 posted on 06/13/2015 5:44:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mercat

Where is the book or article on “Why I left the Catholic Church”?

“Almost every day conservative Christians are told that if we don’t become more enlightened and progressive, we will become irrelevant to society as our numbers continue to decline.”

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/44427-the-real-reason-liberal-churches-are-losing-members


5 posted on 06/13/2015 5:56:34 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Mercat

Roman Catholicism: When You Deny Sola Scriptura, You Have No Foundation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dukd9WusmM&feature=player_embedded

From Dr. Alan Cairns—
Sola Scriptura: Defined, Denied, Defended - 1
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=102101135423

Sola Scriptura: The Deceit of Romish Tradition - 2
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=102801134754

Please consider the Gospel of Mark chapter 7. In many ways, the Catholic view of tradition is similar to what the Pharisees did in the first century, adding their oral teaching around the written Word of God. And in Mark chapter 7 beginning in verse 1 you see that, “The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders.” Drop down to verse 5. “The Pharisees and the scribes asked Him, ‘Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?’ And He said to them, ‘Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men. Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” And look at verse 13. You invalidate “the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.” That condemnation of the Pharisees applies with equal force to the tradition of the Catholic Church today. Rome adds to the Word of God with her tradition. It contradicts and obscures the commandments of God, and it’s condemned. It is a falsehood.

I will leave you with Colossians chapter 2 verse 8. “See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.” The truth of the matter is that the Bible judges tradition. It’s not that tradition judges the Bible. The Bible will not share its throne of authority with anyone or with anything.


6 posted on 06/13/2015 6:11:42 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Mercat

He’s a Catholic because he has not received discernment, which comes from the Holy Spirit.


9 posted on 06/13/2015 7:20:59 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: Mercat; stylecouncilor

A bit late with this, I know. But I’m recently watching Part 2 of “The Tudors” from a few years back (Part 3 to follow) and, while realizing that it takes a lot of historical liberties, I cannot but be struck with how much anguish this break with Rome is actually causing Henry. It definitely changed him - and yes, I believe historically too - into a different man.

How could it have done other?


12 posted on 06/13/2015 8:25:43 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Mercat
So God's word isn't enough?
13 posted on 06/13/2015 8:33:46 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Mercat

Why isn’t God’s word enough?

What is lacking, what did the Holy Spirit leave out, that is so necessary for salvation, that the Catholic church feels the need to add to it?


24 posted on 06/13/2015 10:46:18 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mercat

First of all I will say that I do agree with some of the things the Catholics believe in.

But the motive here seems to be to convince people that it is the Church who has the authority and not the Bible since they are where the Bible came from.

If the scriptures did in fact come from the Catholic Church why would they not believe in scripture alone?

It is like Hank Williams said, (I was the one who wrote the song, I know how it goes)

But the Catholic Church did not write the song they just put all of the songs in to a book.

And it is likely God had to press hard on them to get it done.

If they are the successors of St Peter why do they make the whole thing about something Peter never said one word about?

Why would they go to Pauls teaching when Paul mostly showed disrespect for St Peter?

Wonder what St Peter thinks about that?

Paul is obviously where the fathers of the Church came from and he is the only apostle who said anything about the Lords supper.

Don`t get me wrong here as I know nothing but just got a lot of questions about the teachings of the Church.


25 posted on 06/13/2015 11:04:32 AM PDT by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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Why I'm a Sola Scriptura, Catholic isn't workable.

Fixed the title for you.

26 posted on 06/13/2015 11:18:55 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Mercat

I don’t think the problem Papists have is really with the concept of sola scriptura, but more to do with the fact that their doctrines directly contradict the words of the scripture. The fight against sola scriptura, therefore, is just a means to discard the Bible for theological consideration.


31 posted on 06/13/2015 3:17:21 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Mercat

The “pastor” would get answers to his concerns if he would set aside the theological groupthink, and simply turn to God’s Word, allowing the Holy Spirit to reveal it to his spirit.

I find it amusing that he admits the fallibility of man, and yet looks to a denomination, filled with fallible men, instead of the Living Word of God. Why not go directly to the Source?

Psalm 119:130 (KJV)
130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

God’s Word, His Truth, is meant to be read and understood by any BELIEVER.

1 Corinthians 2:9-16 (KJV)
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


44 posted on 06/13/2015 7:44:05 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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