Papal Silence: The Most Decisive Factor in Ireland's Same-Sex "Marriage" Victory

Catholic Family News ^ | 5/27/15 | Robert Mauro

[epow]

Can this be stopped in the future?

I doubt it. I believe that immoral, unGodly attacks such as this on the sacred institutions of church, marriage and family that God designed and instituted at the beginning of human life on earth are signs foretold in the book of the Apocalypse indicating that Jesus Christ will soon return to rule as Lord and King of His World and His people in peace and beneficence for 1000 years.

That's my understanding at least, others reading this may disagree. And that's to be expected since there seems to be virtually countless interpreters and interpretations of bible prophecy, and they can't all be right. But no matter how a person believes about the future of mankind, there's no possible way that homosexual "marriage", so-called, is approved by God.

[onyx]

LOL. I’m glad you’re laughing and amused. After I pposted, I had feared you might be offended. I was rather blunt. LOL.

[epow]

Italy? Never!

I sure hope you're right, but I would have said the same thing about Ireland a month or so ago. I don't have much hope, if any at all, for the right decision by the USSC either. Neither Ireland nor the US are Christian nations as they once were, and most of Europe is virtually atheist. Less than 3% of all Brits attend church of any denomination now, and the US will eventually come to that as well if so many of our churches and denominations continue to compromise or even reject their former Christian beliefs and moral principles.

[RitaOK]

Seriously, we may be in trouble, but we meant no harm, and both of us instinctively reacted in honesty, so how much trouble do you think we might be in? :)

You were probably the naughtiest. I mean, innocent me, simply responded to hilarity in gales of human reaction to naughty onyx! LOL!!!

I love that part about— “you were probably the naughtiest”.

Now when did you ever hear a thing like that said about you, on FR? LOL!!

Love and laughter, Rita. :)

[hinckley buzzard]

Good point. I wonder how long until he has Caitlyn over for an audience and dinner.

[piusv]

There's no guarantee he could have stopped it, but he should have tried.

I would wager a bet that it wouldn't have stopped it. Much like what will someday happen here in the US....perhaps as soon as in a few weeks. However, any member of the hierarchy that has the true Catholic Faith should be speaking out...loudly and clearly. The problem is that it appears much of the hierarchy doesn't have the Faith.

[onyx]

HaHaHa. I’m almost always the most outspoken and blunt. I’ve even referred to him as “Francis the talking mule,” during a conversation with my parish priest...lol. His only reaction was to say, “Jesuit,” with head bowed and slightly shaking it side to side in mild dismay. ROTFL.

I don’t think Father buys that “lost in translation” crap either, given that Father is quite conservative. He is also a Pope Benedict XVI type of priest, although Irish and jovial. Extremely unhappy and I’d say “irked” with the recent Irish vote.

He is a good shepard and a good man.

Love to you, from your naughty pal.

[Mrs. Don-o]

The 1933 Reichskoncordat was not the instrument of a formal alliance between the Vatican and the Nazis, as has been sometimes alleged by the ignorant, and signing it was not a morally reprehensible act. An examination of the historic period and the document itself explains why.

The Concordat's purpose was to secure the liberty of the Church by preventing, as far as possible, the resurgence of Bismarck-era Kulturkampf policies. Specifically, the Vatican wanted the German State to back off on trying to control the appointment of Bishops and Cardinals; refrain from disbanding or interfering in Catholic organizations; return confiscated church property (schools, hospitals, publishing houses) or compensate the Church for them, and lift restrictions on clergy.

These are legitimate liberties the Church must defend --- which any church or civil organization must defend.

The Concordat, having been "in negotiation" since 1919, was not signed by Hitler or any member of the Nazi Party, and made no reference to Nazism. (It is probably necessary to point out that when the concordat was ratified the word Reich did not refer the Third Reich, but to the Weimar Republic which did not officially end until until the death of President von Hindenburg in 1934.)

The Nazi regime almost immediately started violating he agreement, leading to a series of diplomatic protests from the Church. By 1937, the encyclical Mit Brennender Sorge ("With Burning Anxiety")---written by Eugenio Pacelli (who was the one who had signed the Concordat) and signed by Pope Pius XI--- laid out explicit objections against the Nazi government, including a protest against its racial pagan "blood and land" ideology, predicting that this would lead to "total war."

The encyclical, written in German (not Latin), was read from the pulpits of all German Catholic churches on a Sunday when churches were packed, Palm Sunday. Pacelli and Pius XI believed Hitler would see his as an attack on Nazism, and they were right. The day after it was read, the Gestapo raided every German diocese, confiscated and destroyed all the copies they could find, and shut down every publishing company that had printed it plus all the diocesan newspapers, imprisoning their employees (hundreds of Catholics.)

It's pretty plain that the Concordat did not restrain the National Socialist government at the Vatican had hoped. As diplomacy, it was a failure. As policy, it was one of the first acts of institutional resistance against Nazi totalitarianism.

[Salvation]

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[Kolokotronis]

And from us Orthodox who have never been accused of being theological lefties:

https://www.patriarchate.org/the-green-patriarch

You know, some “conservative Catholics”, like often found here on FR, may in fact be nothing more than American political conservatives masquerading as Catholics, people whose faith is determined by their secular politics rather than the other way around!

[onyx]

“The use of atomic and nuclear forces of nature for war is an insult to creation and Creator, as is over-consumption of any kind, which burdens the natural environment with pollutants, which leads to climate change and global warming and an imbalance in the natural order, with all that implies. The immense consumption of energy for purposes of war and the excessive consumption of contemporary humanity far beyond its needs are two areas where the responsibilities of political leaders and common citizens are interwoven in such a way so that each of us has the power to contribute to the betterment of the general condition.”
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That’s a reasonable position, but those who are pushing “climate change” as though the changes in weather can be controlled, are selling snake oil for their own enrichment and for power over other people.

[MeshugeMikey]

at the rate that Rome’s going...he may make Caitlyn a Saint before the summers over

[ebb tide]

And from us Orthodox who have never been accused of being theological lefties:

Sorry, but I consider people who belong to a religion that allows multiple marriages to still living spouses to be theological lefties.

[Faith Presses On]

Why impugn people as “the ignorant”?

And Hitler was well on his way to dictator by July of 1933.

He had been appointed Chancellor in January.

In February came the Reichstag fire and the Reichtags Fire Decree which cancelled many civil liberties.

In March came the Enabling Act, effectively giving Hitler dictatorial powers as he could pass laws on his own without Reichstag approval.

Also in March, Dachau concentration camp was opened expressly for political prisoners.

And there were already anti-Semitic laws being passed down by Hitler in 1933. In April there was a law forcing Jews and those with questionable loyalties to Nazism out of civil service jobs. Around the same time, large-scale burnings of “anti-German” books began.

German history has been of particular interest to me over the years because my father was a German, born in Germany in 1932. But even for people without that added interest, generally taught history has made familiar the steps of Nazi Germany’s creation, and it concerns me to see attempts to pass off 1933 Germany as simply pre-Nazi Weimar Republic.

Treaties are exchanges between parties, and what might human governments want from churches?

A church is also under no obligation from God to negotiate with and essentially make concessions to governments. In fact, just the opposite, if compromising the Christian faith is involved. Is it somehow “necessary” for a church to negotiate protection for its members from Hitler and his Nazis who were already viciously seizing power? What about trusting God and suffering for His sake?

And on the insistence of Pope Pius XII, the Reichskondordat remained in effect after World War II, and it is still in effect today. Among other things, it requires Catholic bishops to swear loyalty oaths to Germany.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Restoration_of_the_Professional_Civil_Service

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

[BlatherNaut]

I see that the Green Patriarch is also a tool (along with Pope Francis) of the ubiquitous Ram Ramanathan. His mission is to co-opt world religious leaders to help promote the enviro-pagan Big Lie.

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"...The workshop, “Sustainable Humanity, Sustainable Nature, Our Responsibility,” brought together the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences from May 2 to May 6. Since then, Pope Francis has made several calls for the need to protect creation, including a joint statement with Orthodox Church Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I released on May 25 which interwove affirmations of the need to respect nature and human dignity. It is anticipated that environmental stewardship will be the subject of a future papal encyclical..." https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/appeal-science-leaders-religious-leaders-environmental-protection

http://pewsitter.com/view_news_id_192411.php

[EDINVA]

You can call it Caitlyn ;)

[MeshugeMikey]

poor sick sad Bruce! early onset dementia. or unresolved emotionall developmental issues> we may never know

[Kolokotronis]

“Sorry, but I consider people who belong to a religion that allows multiple marriages to still living spouses to be theological lefties.”

I take it then that it’s a safe bet you’ll have long since gone into schism from Rome when the reunion comes, which in all honesty will suit us Orthodoxers just fine. We’re not into ecclesiastical terror regimes, you know, “Do this or you’ll go to hell” as opposed to “Do this and you’ll become like God.”

[EDINVA]

Sure, Jenner, by whatever name, is sick but far sicker still are the publications, organizations, and individuals who promote this movement. He’s just a screwed up poster thing.

[Kolokotronis]

Well, like I said, by the time of a reunion you’ll be long gone into some raving, angry schism from Rome, which will suit us just fine! If there’s no reunion, at worst you’ll be Rome’s problem, not ours.