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To: dangus; Jedediah

Is there a story in the old testament of pentecost that links to the new testament pentecost?

The only one I find is Moses coming down the mount with the tablets of the covenant and 3,000 men killed that day (exodus 32) which would parallel the 3,000 souls saved in Acts 2.

But the math doesn’t add up.
Israel hadnt reached Sinai until the 15th or 16th day of the 3rd month (exodus 19) and that would be 60 days from the first Passover before they heard the law with their ears, and another 40 days after the 60, while Moses was up on the mount before they received the tables of the covenant and 3000 men killed on the feast that Aaron declared.

The exodus records manna after 30 days, the hearing of the law after 60 days, and the receiving of the tablets of the covenant written with His finger after 100 days from that first Passover.

30/60/100... Something the Savior mentioned in His parable of the sower..

If we follow exodus, manna was given 30 days after passover, on the 16th day of 2nd month.

Israel arrived at the mount on the 15th or 16th day of the 3rd month. So, at least 60 days after Passover, Israel heard the law thundered from the mount.

Moses goes up the mount for 40 days and comes down on the day Aaron declared a chat/feast.

That is over 100 days.. Not 50..

30- manna
60- hearing of law
100- given law written by His finger..

Is that missed by Christianity because it is missed by Judaism?

What feast were they assembled in Jerusalem for? Because the only one I see is the one that occurred in the old testament wasn’t 50 days after Passover..

And maybe people would re-read Leviticus 23 and see it in a slightly different view when counting sabbaths and numbering days .. If those are two different counts,it makes Moses and the 3000 killed on that feast day mesh with Act 2 feast/chag and 3000 souls saved.

That would require new understanding and Judaism and Christianity are set in their way and maybe unable to see the math problem..


6 posted on 05/23/2015 9:32:11 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
... because it is missed by Judaism...

Except for lengthy discussions in the Talmud and in the writings of many other classical Jewish commentators...

7 posted on 05/23/2015 9:59:12 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: delchiante

It always warms my heart when Freepers ask questions instead of issuing flat denials... because it happens so rarely, and the forum is so full of people who make a hobby of word-warring. (I’m guilty of that too sometimes.)

Pentecost is known among Jews as Shavuot, the Festival of Weeks. It takes place seven weeks after the first day of passover. (Deuteronomy 16:9) (Note the Jewish counting, that seven weeks is 50 days! When they count days, they count inclusively; this is why “3 days” after Friday is only Sunday. Likewise, 50 days after Sabbath is still a Sabbath, even though people in the West would count that as only 49 days.)

Shavuot was the day of the first fruits (Numbers 28:26), the Festival of Reaping (Exodus 28:26). It is further described in Exodus 34:22.

But what does Pentecost have to do with Shavuot, other than it happened on that day? Remember when Jesus tells the apostles they will reap whey did not sow? How Paul says “Unless a grain of wheat falls to the Earth and dies, it remains but a single grain?” How Revelations and Jesus spoke of the saints as the firstfruits of the Harvest? Jesus is the bread from Heaven, and he was planted in the Earth on Passover. Shavuot was the Festival of the Harvest. Pentecost, then, is the day when that sacrifice came to fruition, when the disciples reaped what Jesus’ blood sowed, when the firstfruits were harvested.

(Tangent: Yes, since the very first days of Christianity, Christians celebrated Pentecost as 50 days past Easter! Therefore, even though they remember Good Friday/Holy Thursday as the day Jesus commemorated Passover, they celebrate Easter as the new Passover! This was the very first battle among pure-Bible Christians and ecclesiastical Christians, the Quartodeciminism controversy: in the third century, bible-only Christians began to question the church practice of celebrating Easter on a Sunday, instead of on the third day after Passover. By their logic, they should also have wanted to move Pentecost to 47 days after Easter, since the Bible reports that the events of Acts 2 happened on Sahvuot, not 49 days after Easter. So why did Christians move Pentecost to follow Easter by 49 days? Because Pentecost was seven weeks after the holiest day of the Hebrew calendar. But Easter had supplanted the Hebrew Passover. In fact, the Catholic Church — outside of English-speaking lands — the name for Easter is from the word, “Passover.” Even in English-speaking lands, “paschal” is the adjective form of “Easter.”)


10 posted on 05/23/2015 3:05:14 PM PDT by dangus
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To: delchiante; All

Yes,

Moses and the seventy God said he placed Moses anointing on all of them ! Hallelujah \o/


26 posted on 05/26/2015 8:10:46 AM PDT by Jedediah (The Keys to The Kingdom)
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