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To: delchiante

It always warms my heart when Freepers ask questions instead of issuing flat denials... because it happens so rarely, and the forum is so full of people who make a hobby of word-warring. (I’m guilty of that too sometimes.)

Pentecost is known among Jews as Shavuot, the Festival of Weeks. It takes place seven weeks after the first day of passover. (Deuteronomy 16:9) (Note the Jewish counting, that seven weeks is 50 days! When they count days, they count inclusively; this is why “3 days” after Friday is only Sunday. Likewise, 50 days after Sabbath is still a Sabbath, even though people in the West would count that as only 49 days.)

Shavuot was the day of the first fruits (Numbers 28:26), the Festival of Reaping (Exodus 28:26). It is further described in Exodus 34:22.

But what does Pentecost have to do with Shavuot, other than it happened on that day? Remember when Jesus tells the apostles they will reap whey did not sow? How Paul says “Unless a grain of wheat falls to the Earth and dies, it remains but a single grain?” How Revelations and Jesus spoke of the saints as the firstfruits of the Harvest? Jesus is the bread from Heaven, and he was planted in the Earth on Passover. Shavuot was the Festival of the Harvest. Pentecost, then, is the day when that sacrifice came to fruition, when the disciples reaped what Jesus’ blood sowed, when the firstfruits were harvested.

(Tangent: Yes, since the very first days of Christianity, Christians celebrated Pentecost as 50 days past Easter! Therefore, even though they remember Good Friday/Holy Thursday as the day Jesus commemorated Passover, they celebrate Easter as the new Passover! This was the very first battle among pure-Bible Christians and ecclesiastical Christians, the Quartodeciminism controversy: in the third century, bible-only Christians began to question the church practice of celebrating Easter on a Sunday, instead of on the third day after Passover. By their logic, they should also have wanted to move Pentecost to 47 days after Easter, since the Bible reports that the events of Acts 2 happened on Sahvuot, not 49 days after Easter. So why did Christians move Pentecost to follow Easter by 49 days? Because Pentecost was seven weeks after the holiest day of the Hebrew calendar. But Easter had supplanted the Hebrew Passover. In fact, the Catholic Church — outside of English-speaking lands — the name for Easter is from the word, “Passover.” Even in English-speaking lands, “paschal” is the adjective form of “Easter.”)


10 posted on 05/23/2015 3:05:14 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Incidentally, I just realized that this is one of the rare years that Shavuot and the Christian Pentecost occur on the same day: May 24.

Does anyone know why Shavuot is now celebrated over two days? (Technically, it starts on the evening of May 23 and lasts until the evening of May 25.) Was it always celebrated over two days? (If so, that’s really wild, because it solves the connundrum I mentioned about Pentecost being celebrated 50 days after Easter, instead of 50 days after Passover; if the first Pentecost started on 50 days after Good Friday, the events of Acts 2 could actually have happened on a Sunday.)


11 posted on 05/23/2015 3:13:18 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Passover on our Heavenly Father’s calendar is the 6th and final work day of our Father’s 2nd week (according to template He gave Ezekiel)

That means the 14th day as Passover always is follows by the weekly Sabbath (7th day) on the 15th.

And the 16th day of our Father’s calendar is the day after the weekly Sabbath (also known as the 1st day of the week)

Passover(14th) landing on a Monday like it did in 2014 doesn’t change the template.
The 7th day Sabbath should have been the Tuesday and Wednesday was First Fruits an the 1st day of week- resurrection day..

But Rome’s calendar has counterfeited our Father’s calendar by ignoring one day every month- the New moon day.

Which according to Ezekiel 46, is not the sabbath or one or the 6 work days.

Rome has no answer for that.
Scripture says times and laws would change. And Rome would do it .

Because of new moon days, not part of our Father’s 6 work days, there is never 50 days after 7 Sabbaths. There will always be a couple more because new moon days are not part of His 6 work + Sabbath..

On our Father’s calendar the 7th Sabbath will fall on pope Gregory Tuesday coming up..

Then a number of 50 days after the 7th Sabbath and Shavuot/weeks Pentecost lands on the 29th day of His 4th month, more than 100 days after Passover.. A summer harvest timewhere grapes would be ready for new wine.
Which is what Acts 2 alludes to when they were accused of being full of new wine..


14 posted on 05/23/2015 3:34:13 PM PDT by delchiante
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