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QUO VADIS FRANCIS?
SELF | 5/20/2015 | DQBAN22

Posted on 05/20/2015 5:54:15 PM PDT by Dqban22

QUO VADIS FRANCIS?

FRANCIS, THE LIBERATION POPE

According to Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Pope Francis has close ties with liberation theology, the same Discaterio that once condemned the movement. In the 1980s the CDF under then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, attacked liberation theology as borrowing “from various currents of Marxist thought and praxis“.

By embracing and supporting Marxist liberation theology Francis has renegade the Magisterium of the Church that condemned Communism as “the fatal plague which insinuates itself into the very marrow of the human society only to bring about its ruin” Pope Leo XIII in his Encyclical on Socialism: “Quo Apostolici numeris” 1878.

The “liberation theology” was a creation of the KGB to infiltrate the Christian Churches and had the strongest impact in Latin America by the works of mostly radical Catholic theologians. The liberationists made important advances through the World Council of Church and in the United States, mainly through the Maryknolls and the Jesuits and they also had its main beachhead in U.S. on the Mexican American cultural Center located in the San Antonio Seminary sponsored by the Archbishop Patricio Flores. Through its classroom came to teach all the most radical theologians of the Marxist theology of the liberation. Under the pretense of helping the poor, thousands of priests, nuns and lay leaders from United States, Latin America and Philippines were indoctrinated there in the tenets of liberation theology.

“Your theology (Liberation Theology) helps the transformation of Latin America more than millions of books on Marxism” Fidel Castro to Leonardo Boff and Frei Beto in the presence of the Spanish Bishop in Brazil, Pedro Casáldiga.

His Holiness, JohnPaul II, with long experience in dealing with the tricks and deviousness of the Communists, put Joseph Ratzinger, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in charge of confronting the perversion of the Gospels with the inclusion of the class struggle and the main tenets of an ideology condemned as intrinsically evil by H.H. Pius XI en his Encyclical“Divini Redemptoris” as well as all by the Popes since the end of the 19th century. Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI, published, a decisive document, the “Instruction in Certain Aspects of liberation Theology”.

The measures taken by H.H. Pope John Paul II apparently put a stop to the Marxist penetration of the Catholic Church. Nevertheless the sycophancy of the Jesuits for the Cuban regime was kept alive in its classroom organizing Potemkin trips to Cuba for their students and exhibiting propaganda movies exalting a fictitious Che Guevara as in the Che’s Bicycle Diaries.

Unfortunately, the movement had entered in hibernation and as soon as the Archbishop Bergoglio was elected Pope his first step was to rescue the liberation theology from the dustbin of history under the worn out false pretense of helping the poor, an argument used ad nauseam by the Communists to justify the enslavement of whole nations.

Francis is the first and only Pope that has been against the Magisterium of the Church on the constant condemnation of communism and opened the doors of the Vatican to the theologians who corrupted the Gospels with the doctrine of Marx. Most importantly, the Pope has backed his words with actions. During his visit to Brazil in 2013, the Pope held meetings with Liberation Theologians on preparing a new doctrine for the church.

We have to delve deeper in the past of Pope Bergoglio to understand his repudiation of free enterprise and admiration for socialism.

As stated the expert in Latin America, Anastasia O’Grady: “The Holy Father is a native of 20th-century Argentina, ideologically defined by nationalism, socialism, corporatism and anti-Americanism.”

Under Peron’s demagogic populist socialism, Argentina, which enjoyed during the first quarter of the 20th century the strongest economy in this hemisphere, second only to U.S., was put down on its knees by the socialists to never recover again to this day.

Cesar Vidal, Spanish historian quoted what Bergoglio wrote: “In 1998, Archbishop Bergoglio attributed Cuba’s evils not to the communist dictatorship but to which he called the blockade of the United States; later he disparaged against the capitalist system and, finally he affirmed that the political and social system closest to the social doctrine of the catholic church was a socialism like the Cuban whenever the idea of God was added to him.”

That was quite a preposterous example of the “Catholic social doctrine” made by Bergoglio. Cuba enjoyed the highest standard of living in Latin America and a numerous and prosperous middle class before the revolution, has suffered under Communism a brutal oppression for over 56 years and its standard of living has fallen to the level of misery of Haiti.

Don’t be surprised by Francis veneration for the monster of la Cabaña, one of the idols of the liberationists, the Argentinean Ernesto Che Guevara. Pope Francis, before going to the Middle East, called himself the Che Guevara of the Palestine people, a flabbergasting affirmation to identify with and to use El Che as model and inspiration, a mass murderer of Cubans, and of Blacks during imperialist wars in Africa at the service of the Soviet Union. While Muslims keep mass murdering Christians, Francis allied himself with the terrorists of the PLO and Hamas recognizing a nonexistent Palestine State.

Thousands of Cubans murdered by the Communist tyranny while imprisoned and tortured hundreds of thousands of patriots, more than 25,000 Cubans were drowned on the Florida Straits trying to escape from the Communist paradise in makeshift drafts, over one million Cubans forced into Exile in their quest of freedom, didn’t diminish Pope Francis’ admiration for the Cuban Stalinist regime, so much so, that he concocted with comrade Obama a plan to keep afloat the regime prolonging the oppression of the Cuban people while forcing the American taxpayers to play the role of “sugar daddy” of the regime, a role played before by the Soviet Union and later Venezuela that ended with their ruin.

History repeats itself. As H.H Pope Paul VI said on June 29, 1972, it seems that “From a fissure the smoke of Satan has entered the Temple of God.”


TOPICS: History; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: popefrancis

1 posted on 05/20/2015 5:54:15 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22
The closest thing to evidence actually stated in this entire post is:

“In 1998, Archbishop Bergoglio attributed Cuba’s evils not to the communist dictatorship but to which he called the blockade of the United States; later he disparaged against the capitalist system and, finally he affirmed that the political and social system closest to the social doctrine of the catholic church was a socialism like the Cuban whenever the idea of God was added to him.”

Only problem is that you failed to cite where Abp. Bergoglio wrote this. I have no idea; I have no idea where to go to actually confirm this and evaluate the context of the statement. As far as I can tell, this could be made up.

Thousands of Cubans murdered by the Communist tyranny while imprisoned and tortured hundreds of thousands of patriots, more than 25,000 Cubans were drowned on the Florida Straits trying to escape from the Communist paradise in makeshift drafts, over one million Cubans forced into Exile in their quest of freedom, didn’t diminish Pope Francis’ admiration for the Cuban Stalinist regime, so much so, that he concocted with comrade Obama a plan to keep afloat the regime prolonging the oppression of the Cuban people while forcing the American taxpayers to play the role of “sugar daddy” of the regime, a role played before by the Soviet Union and later Venezuela that ended with their ruin.

This is not evidence that Francis believes that Cuba is good and all that. Both Benedict and John Paul II visited Cuba and got concessions from the Cuban government. BTW, has the existing policy towards born any fruit at all? As far as I can tell it has been a dismal failure.

Most importantly, the Pope has backed his words with actions. During his visit to Brazil in 2013, the Pope held meetings with Liberation Theologians on preparing a new doctrine for the church.

Do we know what he said in this meeting? Otherwise, this sentence is about as helpful as Clinton's experience.

As stated the expert in Latin America, Anastasia O’Grady: “The Holy Father is a native of 20th-century Argentina, ideologically defined by nationalism, socialism, corporatism and anti-Americanism.”

Where did she say this? According to this he clashed frequently with the current and former president of Argentina. This does not strike me as someone bound up in nationalism.

Pope Francis, before going to the Middle East, called himself the Che Guevara of the Palestine people

First, I am unaware of Pope Francis ever making this claim. I am aware that a friend of his claims this is what he intends. Second, it is possible the Che Guevara is viewed and understood very differently Latin America than in the United States and that the above view makes reasonable sense when viewed from a different perspective. I don't know how South Americans view Che; I dislike him as I dislike socialism. Finally, Che accomplished nothing of value and was killed. If you are taking Pope Francis at his word, Pope Francis is comparing himself to a man that accomplished nothing and was killed. If you dislike Pope Francis' ideology, maybe you should want the comparison to be accurate.
2 posted on 05/20/2015 8:17:57 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ronnietherocket3

Wow, what an apologist you are for this socialist Pope. Amazing.


3 posted on 05/20/2015 8:54:43 PM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: Dqban22
As I understand it, “liberation theology” is a Marxist doctrine invented by the KGb to undermine Christianity throughout the world. It is HERESY to Christian and Catholic teaching. Pope Francis is a heretic and needs to be removed.
4 posted on 05/20/2015 10:40:35 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 ( Barbara Daly Danko)
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To: ronnietherocket3
Thank you ronnietherocket3 for your commentaries and interest in delving on this important matter.

You wrote: The closest thing to evidence actually stated in this entire post is:

“In 1998, Archbishop Bergoglio attributed Cuba’s evils not to the communist dictatorship but to which he called the blockade of the United States; later he disparaged against the capitalist system and, finally he affirmed that the political and social system closest to the social doctrine of the catholic church was a socialism like the Cuban whenever the idea of God was added to him.”

That quotation, according to Cesar Vidal, a Spanish historian specialized in the history of the Church, was taken from a book written to keep record of all His Holiness John Paul II addresses and homilies during his visit to Cuba as well as all the comments of Fidel Castro. The prologue of that book that was written by Archbishop Bergoglio and in it appeared the mentioned quotation that leaves none doubt about his leftist leanings and deep sympathy for the Cuban Stalinist regime. You can read the whole article of Professor César Vidal at http://www.intdemocratic.org/EL-PAPA--EL-DICTADOR--Y-EL-PRESIDENTE-PALESTINO.html (if you can read Spanish).

You commented “This is not evidence that Francis believes that Cuba is good and all that. Both Benedict and John Paul II visited Cuba and got concessions from the Cuban government. BTW, has the existing policy towards born any fruit at all? As far as I can tell it has been a dismal failure.”

When John Paul II and Benedict visited Cuba was in solidarity of the Cuban people, not to support the regime and what they got were some minimal concessions for the operation of the Church. All Pope Francis has done so far was getting the support of the U.S. government for the Cuban regime that is far from helping the Cuban people and will prolong their long and cruel purgatory.

Most importantly, the Pope has backed his words with actions. During his visit to Brazil in 2013, the Pope held meetings with Liberation Theologians on preparing a new doctrine for the church.

From that meeting came that Francis gave carte blanche to the followers of the Marxist liberation theology to operate after their movement was proscribed and the theologians silenced by H.H. John Paul II and Benedict XVI.

As stated the expert in Latin America, Anastasia O’Grady: “The Holy Father is a native of 20th-century Argentina, ideologically defined by nationalism, socialism, corporatism and anti-Americanism.” \

You asked, Where did she say this? According to this he clashed frequently with the current and former president of Argentina. This does not strike me as someone bound up in nationalism.

(“Behind the Pope’s Embrace of Castro” Speculation runs from a Trojan horse plan to Latin American antipathy of the U.S. http://www.wsj.com/articles/behind-the-popes-embrace-of-castro-1431898937 ) The clashes of Francis with Argentinean presidents are family quarrels.

Pope Francis, before going to the Middle East, called himself the Che Guevara of the Palestine people

First, I am unaware of Pope Francis ever making this claim. I am aware that a friend of his claims this is what he intends. Second, it is possible the Che Guevara is viewed and understood very differently Latin America than in the United States and that the above view makes reasonable sense when viewed from a different perspective. I don't know how South Americans view Che; I dislike him as I dislike socialism. Finally, Che accomplished nothing of value and was killed. If you are taking Pope Francis at his word, Pope Francis is comparing himself to a man that accomplished nothing and was killed. If you dislike Pope Francis' ideology, maybe you should want the comparison to be accurate.

The claim was made by Rabbi Sergio Bergman, a very close friend of Francis and a member of the Argentinean parliament whose truthfulness never was questioned by the Pope. Certainly many in Latin America and in the world have different views and perspective about el Che and the Cuban Communist regime mostly based in their deep rooted anti-Americanism.

As senator Patrick Moynihan said, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. The irrefutable fact is that Che Guevara was a cold blood mass murdered and a coward and the Cuban regime is longest lasting and most brutal dictatorship in the history of this hemisphere. Pope Francis knows quite well who was Che Guevara and to emulate him is as preposterous as representing the Cuban tyranny as the model of a regime based on the social doctrine of the Church.

If you want to know the real history of Che Guevara I will be happy to oblige.

5 posted on 05/21/2015 12:56:50 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22
Certainly many in Latin America and in the world have different views and perspective about el Che and the Cuban Communist regime mostly based in their deep rooted anti-Americanism.

If someone were to ask me what my opinion of Andrew Jackson is, he would get that I like him as president as he terminated the then version of the Federal Reserve. If someone were to ask a Native American what his view of Andrew Jackson is, the native American would likely respond with anger or sadness due to the trail of tears. Myself being an American, I dislike Che Guevara as he murdered a large number of people and supported communism. I have no idea how South Americans view Che Guevara or what comes to mind when they hear about Che Guevara, which is key in evaluating Pope Francis's supposed desire to be Che to the Palestinians. My issue with listening to most Americans evaluate Che is they either love him (he is a revolutionary) or hate him (anyone who loves him must therefor be Anti-American).

If you want to know the real history of Che Guevara I will be happy to oblige.

This is not an issue of knowing his history; this is an issue of what comes to mind to a Latin American when they think about Che.

When John Paul II and Benedict visited Cuba was in solidarity of the Cuban people, not to support the regime and what they got were some minimal concessions for the operation of the Church. All Pope Francis has done so far was getting the support of the U.S. government for the Cuban regime that is far from helping the Cuban people and will prolong their long and cruel purgatory.

The concessions public observances of the Nativity of Our Lord and the Crucifixion of Our Lord. These are not minor concessions; these are extremely important concessions. Without either the Nativity or the Crucifixion, we would not be saved.

Has the current US policy towards Cuba born any fruit? After 50 years, I would expect it to if it were a good idea; however, the Castro regime is still with us. BTW, the Cato Institute wrote against the ambargo over a decade ago. They appear to be consistently against it.

That quotation, according to Cesar Vidal, a Spanish historian specialized in the history of the Church, was taken from a book written to keep record of all His Holiness John Paul II addresses and homilies during his visit to Cuba as well as all the comments of Fidel Castro. The prologue of that book that was written by Archbishop Bergoglio and in it appeared the mentioned quotation that leaves none doubt about his leftist leanings and deep sympathy for the Cuban Stalinist regime. You can read the whole article of Professor César Vidal at http://www.intdemocratic.org/EL-PAPA--EL-DICTADOR--Y-EL-PRESIDENTE-PALESTINO.html (if you can read Spanish).

Unfortunately, this is not the actual book and so not the actual quote. Amusingly (using google translate), I got this gem out of your link " In 1994, indeed, the Vatican recognized the state of Israel, but also to the Organization for the Liberation of Palestine (PLO) as the representative of the Palestinians and, in fact, established diplomatic relations with the two bodies despite their legal disparity." Your original post criticized Pope Francis for recognizing Palestine, but in 1994, JPII had already done that.
6 posted on 05/21/2015 6:30:01 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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Millions of foreign tourists did not brought to the island the virus of democracy. Cuba didn’t move an inch closer to democracy or lessening the oppression of the Cuban people. Neither helped the visits of H.H. John Paul II and Benedict XVI. In fact, after Obama declared his new friendly police toward towards Cuba, the regime increased the persecution of political dissidents.

Cuban Cardinal, Jaime Ortega, just declared that Pope Francis told him that in his meeting with Obama the Pope insisted that if U.S. wanted better relations with Latin America U.S must improve relations with the Cuban regime.

In Pope Francis’ geopolitics view the oppression and lack of freedom of the Cuban people and the Cuban sponsor of terrorism for over 56 years throughout Latin America, didn’t count.

We must wonder if it makes sense for United State to sell on credit to a regime whose record shows that his/her debts are never paid back?

Cuba is an economic black hole not because of the U.S. trade embargo, but thanks to Castro’s adoption of a brutal Stalinist regime that does not allow any kind of freedom, personal or economic, and for 56 years he has maintained a “Socialism or Death” attitude without any room for compromises or changes. In fact, after Obama’s generous offer, Raul Castro demanded the unconditional surrender of the U.S.; - the Communist regime will not soften a bit their tyrannical subjugation of the Cuban people.

In a country investment risk survey made by the magazine “Euro money”, Cuba was ranked 183rd place among 187 countries, even below Somalia. (a onerous position that Cuba still enjoys) “The Financial Times” reported in June 30, 1995, “Why then, investors may ask, should they bother with Cuba in a world replete with opportunities and more welcoming governments?” Cuba is a country where there is not a rule of law, where the executive, legislative, judicial and the press, are solely on Castro’s hands. Foreign investors are, as everybody else in Cuba, at the mercy of the whims of a tyrant whose laws frequently change overnight.

Canada, Spain, Mexico, France, England, Italy, Japan and 150 other nations have maintained wide open commercial relations with Castro for 56 years, and after the demise of the Soviet Union they tried to prop up the regime with additional investments under the pretense that by the interaction of commerce and tourism from western democracies the Cuban dictator would modify and liberalize the regime resulting in the return of democracy to Cuba.
Reality couldn’t be father from their assumptions. Those foolish enough to get into Castro’s bandwagon followed the same path to bankruptcy, as did the Soviet Union.

Castro is a compulsory buyer who not only has defaulted on all his international debts, but he also encourages all the Third World nations to also repudiate their debts. Now, those countries are desperately trying to embark the U.S. in the Cuban Titanic and the American taxpayers to rescue their ill-advised investments.

The powerful Spanish financial group, Endesa, with projects in Cuba of over $100 million dollars, discontinued its association with Castro and sued the regime at the Chamber of Commerce of Paris for $12 million for breaking contractual agreements. The Spanish Guitar Hotels group also liquidated its investments in Cuba.

There is a long list of foreign business failures due to Cuba’s centralized Stalinist economy. You cannot throw good money after bad in Cuba’s economic wastebasket. Cubans problems are not derived from the U.S. embargo; it is the lack of freedom!

Cuba’s international credit is nil after Castro stopped payments on his 12 billion dollars debt to the Paris Club of European Banks. He also owes over 3 billion dollars to Japan, about $1.5 billion to Argentina, and several billions to Spain, and to all the other business partners.

Canadians, Spanish, Mexican, English, French, and investors from other countries went to Cuba attracted by Castro’s offer of cheap slave labor, a country without labor problems where workers do not even have the right to strike. In fact, whoever invests in Cuba cannot hire a single worker. They have to pay up on front to Castro $300 dollars per worker every month, and the Cuban regime pays the worker 300 Cuban pesos, the equivalent of $15 dollars a month. That means that in order to be able to hire a worker, a foreign investor has to give Castro a bribe of 2,000% up front, income which finances the repressive apparatus that keeps the Cuban people under feudal bondage conditions.

Those foreign investors caught in Castro’s scam want that the U.S. and the American taxpayers to assume the Soviet Union’s role of maintaining Castro’s regime to the tune of 6 billion dollars annually, hoping that they will be able to recoup some of their ill advised investments. The Cuban people repudiate all those investors and tourists that have exploited them in partnership with the Cuban tyrant.

Cubans are discriminated in their own country. They resent the apartheid system forced upon them that do not allow Cubans to enter the beaches, restaurants and hotels that are reserved for the tourist and the government elite. The ill feeling is not against the Americans but against those foreigners that invest and are involved in the slave and prostitution trade in Cuba. Open Western trade and credits to Castro was proven a total failure. All that infusion of tourists and money did not result in an iota of freedom, democracy or economic development to Cuba and its people.

Their approach of helping Castro through commerce and investments was the one that failed not the U.S. embargo.

Should the American taxpayers finance a terrorist country whose leader has pledged repeatedly to nuke us?

This is the time to strength the Embargo to force a democratic change in Cuba. American tourists and investors should be patient. At the end, they will receive the good will and the rewards for being one of the very few countries that remained in solidarity with the Cuban people’s plight for freedom and democracy during the most tragic period of Cuba’s history.

Since the open trade policies adopted by the Western democracies have failed miserably in bringing any favorable results for Cuba’s return to freedom, democracy and a regime that respects the human and civil rights of the Cuban people:

Shouldn’t our question rather be, isn’t about time to consider a worldwide blockade against Castro’s (as the one against the South African apartheid regime) since 56 years of free trade with over 150 nations failed miserably to restore freedom and democracy to Cuba.


7 posted on 05/21/2015 9:31:43 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: ronnietherocket3
If you want to know the real history of Che Guevara I will be happy to oblige.

“Those who ignore history are damned to repeat it.” (George Santayana)

You said “This is not an issue of knowing his history; this is an issue of what comes to mind to a Latin American when they think about Che”.

When John Paul II and Benedict visited Cuba was in solidarity of the Cuban people, not to support the regime and what they got were some minimal concessions for the operation of the Church. All Pope Francis has done so far was getting the support of the U.S. government for the Cuban regime that is far from helping the Cuban people and will prolong their long and cruel purgatory.

You replied: “The concessions public observances of the Nativity of Our Lord and the Crucifixion of Our Lord. These are not minor concessions; these are extremely important concessions. Without either the Nativity or the Crucifixion, we would not be saved.”

It is not enough to allow those important public religious celebrations that were prohibited for over half a century and then murder the most important Catholic leader, Oswaldo Paya, while the regime continue persecuting and imprison pacific dissidents that claim for freedom and respect for the human rights for the enslaved Cuban people.

“Unfortunately, this is not the actual book and so not the actual quote. Amusingly (using google translate), I got this gem out of your link "

You questioned the integrity of the Spanish historian because his research goes against your limited knowledge of the historic reality.

There is no worse blind man than the one who doesn't want to see.

8 posted on 05/22/2015 8:46:40 AM PDT by Dqban22
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If you want to know the real history of Che Guevara I will be happy to oblige.

If you go back and read my post, I give an example of what I think of when I hear the name Andrew Jackson and what a Native American hears when they hear the same name. I am well aware that Che Guevara is a mass murderer. His mass murdering tendencies come to mind when I hear the name Che Guevara. However, my statement "This is not an issue of knowing his history; this is an issue of what comes to mind to a Latin American when they think about Che” was to point out that I DO NOT know what a Latin American thinks of when they hear the name Che Guevara and like the example of Andrew Jackson above with Native Americans, Latin Americans may hear something completely different when they hear the Che Guevara. The point of the quote is that before criticizing the alleged desire of Pope Francis to be like Che Guevara, I need to understand the underlying cultural context of what Latin Americans communicate when they say Che Guevara.

It is not enough to allow those important public religious celebrations that were prohibited for over half a century and then murder the most important Catholic leader, Oswaldo Paya, while the regime continue persecuting and imprison pacific dissidents that claim for freedom and respect for the human rights for the enslaved Cuban people.

You are absolutely right, it is not enough. It is a very large step in the right direction. By permitting the celebrations, the government is allowing someone to publicly state in Cuba that the government is not God and allowing someone to publicly state that redemption comes from Jesus, not the government. Listening to most communists/socialists, they appear to believe that the government is God and that redemption comes from the Government.

You questioned the integrity of the Spanish historian because his research goes against your limited knowledge of the historic reality.

I have not heard of Cesar Vidal before; however, his wikipedia page denotes very little that would be desireable.

Cuban Cardinal, Jaime Ortega, just declared that Pope Francis told him that in his meeting with Obama the Pope insisted that if U.S. wanted better relations with Latin America U.S must improve relations with the Cuban regime.

It may actually be true that a large percentage of Latin Americans hold a grudge against the United States and that the continued icy relations between the US and Cuba are held as evidence that something is wrong the US. This is not a statement their view of the US is accurate. Somebody has to make the first move.

Those foolish enough to get into Castro’s bandwagon followed the same path to bankruptcy, as did the Soviet Union.

I agree, any company that invested in Cuba was foolish and should lose the money they invested rather than have the US government bail out their foolishness.

Shouldn’t our question rather be, isn’t about time to consider a worldwide blockade against Castro’s (as the one against the South African apartheid regime) since 56 years of free trade with over 150 nations failed miserably to restore freedom and democracy to Cuba.

This may have happened a few decades ago, but it is not happening today.
9 posted on 05/22/2015 6:50:25 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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I respect your commitment to the Church. But unfortunately, after given carte blanch to the liberation theologians to proceed with the Marxist perversion of the Gospels, Pope Francis is taking the Church through a dangerous path full of uncertainty. It is a fact that the Jesuits have been the most active in spearheading the infiltration of Marxism in the Church. The Pope is not speaking ex-cathedra and the faithful has the right to use prudential judgment in accepting or not positions of the Pope that go against the Magisterium of the Church

In reference to the writer and Historian Cesar Vidal, he is a respected Protestant historian and prolific writer, and although I don’t agree with all he writes, the quotation of Francis’ words are not opinion, but fact. Wikipedia is a very useful instrument, but it is not the Bible and neither is 100% reliable You can buy the book ("Diálogos entre Juan Pablo II y Fidel Castro" by Archbishop Bergoglio) and give to a translator you trust before you demean Cesar Vidal. Let me note that several of the best and more unbiased scholars that have researched the Spanish Inquisition are Protestant and Jewish historians.

We should not be surprised by the Marxist proclivities of Pope Francis who has openly asserted that the Cuban regimen is the best example of the Social Doctrine of the Church. Many priests, including many in the hierarchy of the Church, supported the Sandinistas and Fidel Castro. Thus the Nicaraguan poet, father Ernesto Cardenal spoke of the revolutionary Jesus, numerous Jesuit teachers, Franciscans and Maryknolls supported the communist guerillas, trained and financed by Fidel Castro, in Central and South America. What is surprising is that Francis have so openly supported the Marxist infiltration of the Church

The most important Catholic scholar, and professor History, Ricardo de la Cierva, have written four volumes documenting the Marxist and Masonic infiltration of the Church to the highest levels:

JESUITS, IGLESIA Y MARXISMO 1965-1985 - La teología de la liberación desenmascarada (1986) ( Ricardo de la Cierva gave this book to Pope John II)

OSCURA REBELION DE EN LA IGLESIA – Jesuitas, teología e la liberación, carmelitas, marianistas y socialistas: la denuncia definitiva. (1987)

A LAS PUERTAS DEL INFIERNO – La historia de la Iglesia jamás contada.(1996)

LA HOZ Y LA CRUZ- Auge y caída del marxismo y la teología de la liberación (1996) p>From “Dark REBELLION in the Church” - Jesuits, theology of liberation, Carmelites, Marianists and Socialists: the final complaint.” Ricardo de la Cierva. P. 11-13

“Your theology (Liberation Theology)helps the transformation of Latin America more than millions of books on Marxism” Fidel Castro to Leonardo Boff and Frei Beto in the presence of the Spanish Bishop in Brazil, Pedro Casáldiga, C.M,i..F., who plays end the phrase in his book Nicaragua, combat and prophecy, Madrid, helped, 1986, p.134

“The Mission of the Jesuits in the third world is to create conflict. We are the only powerful group in the world that makes it.” César Jerez S. J., provincial of Central America 1976-1982, at a meeting of Jesuits in Boston, New England Jesuit News, April, 1973.

“At the same time we Christians are children of a Virgin and a whore (Ivan Illich) and believe that this is the truth.” Ernesto Cardenal, priest and then Minister of Nicaragua, in the biography of J. L. González, Salamanca, “Follow me”, 1978, p.23

“Are the Communists, and not the Jesuits, who are winning the battle of atheism.” Igor Bonchkovski in New Times, n.40, Moscow, 1975

“The national planning of the Society of Jesus in the United States should, following the example of China, become an international planning. Towards the convergence of problems in all areas of the world around a single theme: the construction in different times and forms of a world Communist society.”

Strategic document of a group of Dutch Jesuits - in collaboration with other Jesuit revolutionaries—published for internal debate in the official journal of the society of Jesus in the United States, National Jesuit News, April 1972.

“Socialist societies are very ethical, clean, physically and morally. If it weren’t for his materialist doctrine it could be argued that they carried out the ethical teaching of the social doctrine of the Church.” Leonardo Boff on his return from a trip to Moscow, cfr.ABC, 16-VII-87, p.45

“Marxism provides a scientific understanding of the mechanisms of oppression in the world, at local and national levels; It offers the vision of a new world which must be built as a socialist society, the first step to a classless society, where genuine brotherhood can be hopefully possible, and by which deserves sacrifice everything.” Declaration of the theological Association of India in the magazine Vidyajyoti, of the Theological Faculty of the Jesuits in Delhi, April, 1986.

The general of the Jesuits, the father Pedro Arrupe, declared that the shout of the Che Guevara in Bolivia was the last echo of the shout of Jesus in the cross. A new church was created by the liberationists, '' the popular church”-parallel and against The Church- that promised a paradise on earth that will emulate the Cuban regime.

The chaos in the Jesuit Order was so generalized that His Holiness John Paul II was forced to take the extraordinary measure of deposing Father Arrupe as General of the order and appointed Fr. Paolo Dezza J.S. as his personal delegate and interim Father General of the Society, passing over Fr. Arrupe’ s own choice (his vicar general). Father Dezza was confessor to Pope Paul VI and Paul's successor, Pope John Paul I, and was a teacher of Pope John Paul I's successor, Pope John Paul II.

10 posted on 05/23/2015 4:46:52 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: ronnietherocket3
For those who follow my commentaries:

Cesar Vidal is an amazingly erudite man who speaks eight languages fluently and, although not yet 50, has published 160 valuable books of all genres in an exceedingly wide spectrum, ranging from a biography of Lincoln to the bloody details of the massacre of thousands of innocent prisoners at the hands of the communist Chekas during the Spanish Civil War. .

11 posted on 05/23/2015 8:57:53 PM PDT by Dqban22
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