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The Identity of the Dragon...The Serpent of Old...Rev 12 pt 5
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/the-dragon-identified-the-serpent-of-old-revelation-12-pt-5/ ^ | 05-12-15 | Bill Randles

Posted on 05/12/2015 1:29:14 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.(Revelation 12:3-4)

The vision of Revelation 12 corresponds to the account of the fall of man in Genesis 3. What do we have in Genesis 3? A Woman,a Serpent and the promise of the birth of a Savior.

By the time of Revelation 12, The Woman is clothed in the Sun,Moon and Stars, and is pregnant. The Serpent has become a Dragon, invested with great power and authority.

We need not speculate the identity of the serpent for this vision gives the identity,

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.(Revelation 12:9)

Without explaining the details of the seven heads and ten Horns and the crowns, suffice it for the time to consider this; all political and worldly power is handed over to the Dragon, “the Whole world lies n the wicked One”. The powers of this world are increasingly put into the disposal of the Devil, “This is their hour and the power of darkness”.

What is the difference between a serpent and a dragon? A serpent has to be subtle. We can see something of the subtlety of the serpent in the garden of Eden.The following is an excerpt from a book I have written about Genesis 1-11,Creation,Fall and the Promise of the Seed;

Now the Serpent was subtil…but can a snake be subtil? Isn’t subtlety a feature of intelligence? Subtlety is an attribute that can only be given to a responsible, moral being, therefore the scripture itself is being subtle, for it is implying that something more than a mere reptile is involved in this story.The serpent is the vehicle for another malevolent personality.

We are told without explanation, that the snake spoke to the woman. We remember that to the man, Adam, had been given the task of naming all of the animals. The act of naming the animals carries with it the idea that the one who names, has dominion over the ones named. This is in accord with the original commission given to the man, to rule over creation.

But something is amiss, for in the fact that the serpent spoke to the woman, there is rebellion against the divine order. It is the man’s wife that the serpent addresses, not the man standing there, the one who named the serpent. Obviously there is something very much out-of-order here.

The method of seduction is enlightening. The serpent probes the understanding of the woman, not by proposition but by loaded question;

Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

What a masterpiece of insinuation! He is not saying that God did say that, nor is he denying God said that, he is merely asking a question.

Yet the question itself is slanted- it could be paraphrased, Did God really deny you the freedom to eat of every tree of the garden? The serpent insinuated that God’s sole limit upon the couple was altogether unreasonable, not by stating so, but just by asking the loaded question.

The woman’s response offered the serpent clues to the couple’s inner state, openings to exploit;

And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Her answer betrayed a slight hint of dissatisfaction. First, she maximised the prohibition of God, (though not as greatly as the serpent ), by saying that not only were they not to eat of the tree, they weren’t even supposed to touch it! Thus she portrayed her benevolent, Creator in a harsh light, as though he were being unreasonable.

Secondly she minimized the sanction, by saying that God said , lest ye die, when originally God had said, You shall surely die! As if it may or may not be true that those who transgress the word of God are liable to the revealed punishments. Maybe not?

Now the Serpent perceived that the couple, (for Adam had been standing there also ),were ready to hear God’s Word openly denied;

I have seen the serpent become a dragon in my own day. I wrote a book about the Prophetic Movement in 1999 called Beware the New Prophets. In the research I had to use a lot of discernment and prove by scripture that the “Words” of those prophets were unscriptural. It took a lot of wok because back then they were subtle.

But when A publisher asked me to update the book and do a study on the newer prophets, such as Bill Johnson of Bethel church,in Redding California, and Mike Bickle of IHOP, I was amazed. These people aren’t even subtle anymore!

They openly deny the Word of God, advocating without irony that the church go to the New Age movement to find out what they are doing right to produce their miracles, or endorsing obvious charlatans such as Todd Bentley, a man who left his wife for another and continues to minister!

This says more about the people than it does about these ‘prophets’. If there wasn’t a Todd Bentley or a Mike Bickle, someone would have to invent one, because there is such a market for these frauds among God’s confessing people.

A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof? (Jeremiah 5:30-31)

The Serpent has become a Dragon! The people are ready and willing to hear God’s Word openly denied. The end brings a horrifying clarity as the devil comes out in the open, and in the fierceness of his malice, to oppose the woman and her seed.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; endtimes; prophecy; satan
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1 posted on 05/12/2015 1:29:14 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

I note that The Serpent started with “Hath not God said”

He started by quoting scripture, just like so many of hssssss modern counterparts!


2 posted on 05/12/2015 1:41:27 PM PDT by null and void (My favorite drawings at the Muhammad cartoon festival in Texas were the two chalk outlines out front)
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To: null and void
He started by quoting misquoting scripture. That's how we recognize them!
3 posted on 05/12/2015 2:44:57 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: pastorbillrandles
It looks like the judgment of the serpent/dragon/leviathan is coming. Hopefully the Lord of the vineyard will bring the church into their hiding place during this time of judgment...

Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast . 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain...
Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. 2 In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine * . 3 I the LORD do keep it; I will water it every moment: lest any hurt it, I will keep it night and day.

4 posted on 05/12/2015 2:48:25 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: pastorbillrandles

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>> “By the time of Revelation 12, The Woman is clothed in the Sun,Moon and Stars, and is pregnant.” <<

With such nonsensical twisting of the word, understanding is hopeless.

The vision of Revelation 12 is of the sighting of the new moon at Tishri 1, the Day of Trumpets, when all of Yeshua’s elect will be resurrected or changed. It is the constellation Bethula (AKA Virgo).
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5 posted on 05/12/2015 2:52:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The trib is not a time of Judgement, it is the time of “Temptation” mentioned in the “Lord’s Prayer.”

A ten day period of wrath of the bowls follows the resurrection, but that is still not “the judgement;” the judgement comes at the end of the Millennial reign.
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6 posted on 05/12/2015 2:59:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Nice...being accused of scripture twisting by a proponent of astrology~


7 posted on 05/12/2015 4:34:47 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thanks- I enjoy reading your posts.


8 posted on 05/12/2015 5:54:10 PM PDT by Faith65 (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Very good! Thanks for posting!


9 posted on 05/12/2015 6:19:09 PM PDT by Shery (Pray for righteousness to be restored and for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Astrology!

That is the extent of your Bible knowledge?

And you’re a pastor?

No wonder so many are lost.

The Revelation is not astrology. God’s months are defined by the sighting of each new moon. One month in particular, Tishri, the sighting of that moon will be of great importance as the time that Yeshua comes in the clouds for his bride. That is what that passage in chapter 12 is all about.

It is a shame that that is the state of Bible understanding, or really the lack thereof, for the clergy.

How can your congregation know how to obey Revelation 3:3 if they don’t even know what it is that they are supposed to be watching for? A pregnant woman in the sky? Wow!
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10 posted on 05/12/2015 6:40:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Former Fetus
He started by quoting misquoting scripture. That's how we recognize them!

That's a good point. These articles by this "pastor" are a good example. I've grown weary of pointing out the false teaching in them.

The word pastor is synonymous with shepherd. As Paul tells the pastors (aka elders, bishops, shepherds, presbyters) in Acts 20, they are to guard the flock against wolves. But some of these shepherds ARE the wolves we're warned against.

Like you, I'll stick with the Scriptures, lest I be devoured by such predators.
11 posted on 05/12/2015 6:46:08 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: editor-surveyor
You are the one who said It is the constellation Bethula (AKA Virgo).
12 posted on 05/12/2015 7:30:14 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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To: LearsFool

Shw me the “false doctrine you have pointed ut in my articles!


13 posted on 05/12/2015 7:31:01 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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To: Former Fetus

Point noted! Thanks!


14 posted on 05/12/2015 9:15:29 PM PDT by null and void (My favorite drawings at the Muhammad cartoon festival in Texas were the two chalk outlines out front)
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To: pastorbillrandles; editor-surveyor

The astrologers call it Virgo, pastor.

In English, it is simply woman.
The same way , astrologers say Aries but the English word is Ram.

Or Libra, when the English description is a Scale/balance as in the scales of justice. There really is a cluster of stars that looks like one of those.

Or Pisces to an astrologer, in English, two fish describes it.
Or Aquarius to an astrologer, in English- water bearer..
Or Leo to an astrologer, in English a Lion.

I mention those in particular because each of those has particular significance to scripture.
And significance to Israel in times past, today and future.
And not the ‘signs’ by themselves but coupled with His Feasts and the location of those ‘signs’ when Israel was commanded to observe His Feasts.

Today, when Israel is observing His Spring Feasts, the sun is traveling through His sky through the Two Fish.

Today, when Israel is observing His Fall Feasts, the sun is traveling through His sky through the Woman.

There was a time pastor because of a scientific event called the precession of the equinox, the equinox didn’t occur when the sun was located in the Two Fish, like it is today.

It occurred when the sun was in the Ram.
So, there was a time when Israel observed His Spring Feasts, like Passover, when the sun was traveling through His sky through what the English would call the Ram.

When Israel did that, the Fall Feasts were observed when the sun was traveling through His sky through the Scale/Balance.

Old testament readers would certainly see some interesting connections to a Ram at Passover and the Scale at the time of Atonement in the fall.

And new testament readers would certainly see some interesting connections to 2 Fish at the Spring Feasts and the Woman at the Fall Feasts considering the Fishers of Men and the Bride/church.

Some would even be bold and say an ‘age’ change occurred. Something those astrologers ‘believe’ with their words.

His Creation is constantly moving and we are trending to a new ‘age’ , for lack of a less astrological term, to a time when Israel will be observing His Spring Feasts when the sun is traveling through His sky through what astrologers call. ‘Aquarius’ but in English, The Water Bearer.

When that happens, the ‘Woman’ in that sky ceases to represent the 7th month( Fall Feasts)
She is replaced by Leo, the Lion.

Outpouring of His Holy Spirit and the return of the Tribe of Judah?

Before it was ever put on ‘parchment’, He ordained it in His sky.

We now know why Satan has counterfeited astronomy with Babylonian astrology.
And why Satan has counterfeited the Father’s calendar with the Babylonian pope Gregory calendar.
And why satan has counterfeited the gospel with the Babylonian roman gospel.

If satan has a counterfeit savior, it will have roots in that Babylonian Rome, too..

The one who has changed His times and laws.. the times He ordained and taught to Israel that has His Heavens declare His glorious plan at those exact times..

That may sound too nutty to most.. or it makes perfect sense in a counterfeit world..

I am no scientist, simply someone who downloaded an app that showed the movement of all those ‘dots’ up there, like the sun, moon, stars, planets.
And now I understand how someone could ‘see’ a star in the sky and know that the King was born.
Wise men..
Maybe not any more brilliant than the rest of us. Just wise enough to know when and where to look..
Because it happened to me..

And that is bad news for Rome’s teachings. Because their December 25 can actually have competition with the use of scripture with knowledge of His Creation ..
And when December 25 melts away, the rest isn’t far away.
Maybe that is how Babylon falls..
Maybe The gentiles ‘fullness’ isn’t a number but a ‘condition’ where they stop accepting Babylonian counterfeits and substitutes as ‘truth enough’..

And there is a dragon up there too and things like Orion and pleaides help find it.
Orion, pleaides, mazzaroth- words found in the book of Job.

The heavens declare His Glory.
HalleluYah!


15 posted on 05/13/2015 6:37:02 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: pastorbillrandles

What exactly about giving the Biblical name and the Roman imitation name bothers you?

Do you not understand that the basis of what astrologers imitate is Biblical? That it is a part of prophecy?


16 posted on 05/13/2015 7:11:46 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: pastorbillrandles
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Try this book by the great Christian educator D James Kennedy:

The Real Meaning of the Zodiac

17 posted on 05/13/2015 7:24:32 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: pastorbillrandles
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A quick look:

http://www.bibletruthonline.com/themeaningofthezodiac.htm

18 posted on 05/13/2015 7:40:57 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

editor surveyor, thanks for the link and the explanation of where you are coming from,I had never heard that before and will read and consider. Having said that , I believe you are wrong to castigate me as a scripture twister, just because I had not heard your particular interpretation , which involved astronomy . I believe that your point would be better taken if you didn’t insult me as basically a false teacher.


19 posted on 05/13/2015 9:04:38 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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To: LearsFool

Lears Fool, show me one instance where I misquoted scripture.


20 posted on 05/13/2015 9:05:38 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (The choice isn't heaven or Hell. its heaven or the world)
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