Posted on 04/20/2015 1:51:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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The law of grace..
Isn’t here a scene from Monty Python where 20 crusaders are about to be wiped out by a horde of Muslims. A fight breaks on between a Dominican and a Franciscan monk.
“Free will” “No predestination” they yell as they roll on the ground choking each other.
As this fight breaks out the horde on the hill starts charging.
This reminds me of that.
You need to get out more..you seem to have a narrow range of reference
Wonderful post rn.
I’d like to be added to your ping list, if you please.
done
....”the law of faith is not a law of works; on the contrary, the law of faith is contrasted with the Law of works”....
The just shall ‘live’ by faith...Indeed!
As the article stated....
“...just as the commandment of loving God from all our being and our neighbors as ourselves will be fulfilled by this ‘principle of Christ according to the New Covenant’ and not according to the ordinances of the Old Covenant,... in the same way all the other commandments of the Law also will be ‘fulfilled in us by faith’ and not by the works of the Law.
I thought this was interesting from your article....
...”don’t even expect a worldly natural man or a false Christian to accept what we have seen above; he will wonder what all this means,.... what it means to obey the Law by faith and not by works,.... because he has not received the justification by faith alone; he still sees God as an angry Judge and sees himself as a slave who cannot please his Master…...... Such a person will think “the law of Christ” means a set of rules he should obey in order to be saved, BECAUSE ‘rules’ make the slaves feel safe, as they don’t know what their master wants…...”....
There is a great deal of truth in those words...and we remember that the “fear of the Lord is ‘the beginning’ of wisdom” which can bring some to the ‘threashhold’ of salvation....one has to go beyond that to maturity.
Reminds me of kids who need to learn certain parmeters growing up....but as adults what they didn’t understand as children their love for their parents grows all the more as adults....they understand then.
So too when we have passed that threshold and recognize His love by faith....
Ping for study, or...
great,another post I’ll have to read 7 times to digest!
I think something similar has been already asked...
34 But the Pharisees hearing that he had silenced the Sadducees, came together:
35 And one of them, a doctor of the law, asking him, tempting him:
36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.
38 This is the greatest and the first commandment.
39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.
41 And the Pharisees being gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying: What think you of Christ? whose son is he? They say to him: David's.
43 He saith to them: How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying:
44 The Lord said to my Lord, Sit on my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word; neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
(Was this before or after they walk into a bar???)
Two men considering a religious vocation were having a conversation. "What is similar about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders? " the one asked.
The second replied, "Well, they were both founded by Spaniards -- St. Dominic for the Dominicans, and St. Ignatius of Loyola for the Jesuits. They were also both founded to combat heresy -- the Dominicans to fight the Albigensians, and the Jesuits to fight the Protestants."
"What is different about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?"
"Met any Albigensians lately?"
2 Timoth 3: But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.
The Man of God and the Word of God [Paul's Charge to Timothy]
10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The religious not knowing the power of the living God in their lives settle for works/law to feel fulfilled. Some do the same with prayer or the bible, making one or the other their god. While prayer and works and the Word of God are important parts of Christian life, only knowing God and His power lived out in and through their lives will fulfill the very need God has put in all people.
Many think that there is much that they have to do and they ignore that those who opted to continue some of the old ways to try to earn their share of heaven were chastised for having fallen from Grace by not accepting the Gift and the Word.
They also ignore prophesy such as Jeremiah carrying God's words that He would give us a New Covenant and that in it He would "forgive your wickedness and recognize your sins no more".
Good post
Problem is the name Jesus is only 400 plus years old..
Which Jesus is the real Son of God?
The one born on December 25 or the one that wasn’t?
Oh, so keep the law... Got it.
Also, as soon as we try to keep the Law and its commandments by external works, we will also be walking according to the flesh.
Oh, so don't keep the law... No wait, LOLWhut? How do you know then that you are doing or not doing it correctly? Do you do it by not doing it, or do you not do it by doing it?
WOW, is this ever messed up.
Look, this is easy. Laws are written for criminals. They are coercive for the purpose of forcing criminals to do the right thing. In a benevolent society, if one keeps the laws of that society, the laws themselves are transparent - The citizen keeps them without a thought toward them. The criminal, who is against the society worries over the law, figuring out what he can get away with.
That is the spirit of what Yeshua was saying in the Sermon on the Mount - What matters, where life is, is in doing the things against which there is no law - After all, That's the very same as what you do right now! If you are a good citizen the law is no worry to you - You keep it by nature, and go about your existence doing the things that make your life wonderful. This is the very same thing.
If Torah is written on one's heart, one should desire to keep it by nature - One should want to keep it because it is the Fathers Way. And in that, one will find incredible liberty. Does that mean there will be external works? Of course it does! How does one know one loves the Father? When one is walking in his commandments, and his commandments are not grievous... So unlike this worrisome OP, You know you are doing it right when you keep Torah, and the degree of keeping Torah gives a good indication: "You are Here =>."
Torah is perfect at converting the soul.
We are not bound to Torah by fear, as a criminal.
Nor do we keep the law because we will get brownie points - when is the last time a cop pulled you over to congratulate you for doing what you are supposed to do? There is not a reward for doing the right thing - it is expected of you.
We are bound to Torah by love - If you love the Father, you will keep his commandments. It is his way. Everyone in a household follows the way of their father.
Amen
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