Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 03/22/2015 5:47:53 PM PDT by grumpa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-24 next last
To: grumpa

context context context!

Thank you!


2 posted on 03/22/2015 5:50:49 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

When it comes, you probably won’t have to ask.


3 posted on 03/22/2015 5:58:45 PM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: CynicalBear; wmfights; Iscool

End times Ping


4 posted on 03/22/2015 6:00:36 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Daniel 2 Daniel 7 Daniel 9 Revelation 13 Revelation 16 Revelation 17 Revelation 18 Revelation 19)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

Verse from the same speech:

“And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”
Like 21:27

This happened? When?


8 posted on 03/22/2015 6:18:45 PM PDT by javie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

“Conclusion: The events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem as predicted by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse were restricted by Him to the region and the people of Judea in the first century.”

Co-incidentally, I have been reading some books by Moses Stuart, John Stuart Russell about this topic. Same conclusion.


10 posted on 03/22/2015 6:22:00 PM PDT by odawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

Agree with the author 1000%.

The only item in prophecy left to be fulfilled is Judgement Day.

That’s what was taught in Christendom, up till relatively recently.


11 posted on 03/22/2015 6:27:27 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

Nonsense. How about, for example, the mark of the beast? How about the 70th week (7 years) of Daniel? The tribulation will be world wide, not confined to the middle east. So many events that clearly did not happen in 70 AD,


13 posted on 03/22/2015 6:37:56 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

The greatest tribulation that has been or will ever be. If the days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved alive. Nah, hasn’t happened yet.


15 posted on 03/22/2015 6:55:39 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

Just about every generation thought they were going through Tribulation. Imagine what the people thought during WW2 or prior to that the Great Depression.


16 posted on 03/22/2015 7:01:19 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

The current ideas about a future 2nd Coming date back to the 19th century, not ancient history.


18 posted on 03/22/2015 7:03:06 PM PDT by webstersII
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

If the prophecy was for the disciples... that all of this would be fulfilled and THEY would SEE it.... then Jesus missed it. Most of them were dead by the time Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD


20 posted on 03/22/2015 7:09:20 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

error! “Matthew 23:35—“That upon YOU may come all the righteous blood shed upon the EARTH [ge], from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias.” This is a clear reference to the Jewish people, and not to all the people on the globe. “

Abel is not Jewish is he?


21 posted on 03/22/2015 7:13:15 PM PDT by the_daug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

Preterist nonsense alert. Flat earth society.


27 posted on 03/22/2015 7:35:30 PM PDT by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa
Matthew 24:29-30 says "Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming....."

Immediately after the tribulation he's speaking of? Are you arguing that the Son of Man has already returned? Immediately after the tribulation surrounded around Nero and the destruction of the temple?

28 posted on 03/22/2015 7:36:49 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa
WHEN IS THE GREAT TRIBULATION?

Passover 5775 it begins

29 posted on 03/22/2015 7:40:12 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHaI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

Revelation 16:21 “And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.”

According to Josephus the heavy common talent weighed around 133 pounds. It’s funny nobody wrote any history about 133 pound hailstones.


31 posted on 03/22/2015 7:48:32 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

This is a good thread to mark as the foolishness of those who really think the Great Tribulation has passed, have spoken such with their own words. Such are their words and their witness between themselves, they stand doubly accused by their own words.


32 posted on 03/22/2015 7:48:35 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa; wmfights; Iscool; CynicalBear; boatbums; metmom; roamer_1; editor-surveyor

The internal and external evidence does not support full preterism nor partial preterism.

With the large use of lexicon replacement of the Greek, failure to address the Hebrew scriptures and yet unfulfilled prophecy, a preterism should just stick with the amil view of prophecy.

A good metric for prophecy fulfillment is to look at the Messianic prophecies. Many were “tucked in” passages with multiple subjects. Not easily seen to the eye. We see this with the religious authorities of Jesus Christ’s time. But what can all Christians agree on? Everyone of the Messianic prophecies were fulfilled literally down to the jot and tittle.

As we know there are Messianic prophecies yet to be fulfilled. Jesus said so. When we look at those TaNaKh passages on His second coming (and verified in the NT) why are we to assume Messiah will turn to allegory or symbol when thus far all have been literal? To make this shift is inconsistent. Either inconsistent or a lack of faith Messiah will do exactly what He said He would do.

So I see a lot of wresting of the Greek, ignoring the Hebrew scriptures (OT) and more wresting of firm external evidence trying to put John’s writing of Revelation prior to 70 AD.

Preterists are better off being amil. At least they are consistent in their approach. They at least look forward to the second coming of Christ.

Eschatology is a great subject to study and discuss. Those passages and books are there for a reason. Let us not kick each other away from the Lord’s Table over it.


33 posted on 03/22/2015 7:50:59 PM PDT by redleghunter (In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

The Great Tribulation begins on April 23, 2019.

No, I am not kidding.

See the spreadsheet associated with the following article.

Look for cell W24.

https://unsealedprophecy.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/psalm-83-war-september-2015/


37 posted on 03/22/2015 8:03:30 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: grumpa

.
Everything beyond verse 4 of Matthew 24 is future, although some of the persecution has also happened in the past.

As to the Revelation, we are at the end of the 5th seal, and it is clear to see that the 6th seal events are ready to proceed.
.


45 posted on 03/22/2015 8:15:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-24 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson