Posted on 03/21/2015 7:33:01 PM PDT by hiho hiho
whoa...apologies for the triple post
Forget everything else. My question is ... As a purely practical matter, how could any church hire this knucklehead? How could he lead the church in prayer? In song? What could he preach from the pulpit that would have any credibility?
Imagine a physician who claims, “I am a physician, but I don’t believe in medicine.”
Imagine a math teacher who claims, “I teach middle school math, but I don’t actually believe that 2+2 = 4.”
Well, you get the point. For me this just doesn’t compute.
I am more appalled at his parishioners than I am at him. What are they thinking?
Well, even a stopped clock.
The only thing I agree with is that religion is a human construct.
Jesus coming to seek and save the lost is God reconciling the world to Himself and that is not a religion.
Someone needs to take his iphone away from him . . .
So he worships Satan.
Yeah, it’s basically another thing that the cancer of liberalism has destroyed. They probably don’t even talk about God.
We had an Episcopal minister who took a similar stand. I called him and asked why he still stayed as the minister of the congregation. His answer was essentially for the pay and pension.
What’s the point of even getting up in Sunday morning if this guy is your “pastor?”
Might as well go out, party bard on Saturday and jyst sleep in.
He has nothing worth getting up for.
True. Anyone who holds these opinions should be disqualified from any position as a Christian minister.
##But I don’t appreciate being told that I’m not truly a Christian.##
Well, you aren’t.
I suspect your local body isn’t either or you would be long gone.
To John Shuck
That is the very reason Church nor rituals can save any one as God reads the hearts and minds.
You are not the lone ranger, there have got to be a pretty good percentage of both preachers and congregation who do not believe but only go for gain of some kind.
Some to get filthy rich, others just for a secure income and others for social status.
I believe that is the reason God tells his people to come out of the system of the great harlot in rev 17 and 18.
And after your confession can you deny that I have a good reason for my belief?
They have reduced church to a social club.
I suspect the opposite is true. He was killed, and his later followers decided that this “must have been” part of a larger plan,
Mathew 4
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
It is very plain that Jesus could have been king to all of the world, not just Israel if that is what he had of been after.
John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Also why do you think he said three swords were enough? it is plain that with only three swords his apostles would not be too willing to fight but would be enough of a threat to make the guards willing to negotiate.
If the apostles would have had no weapons they would have all been taken, not just Jesus, Jesus did not want any of his apostles taken nor killed.
If all of his apostles would have had weapons it would have been a bloody battle, Jesus may or may not have been taken and some of the apostles would likely have been killed.
Any of these scriptures alone shows that Jesus did not have the king ship of Israel in mind.
Luke 9:27
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Luke 17:21
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
We can see right there that Jesus does not have his mind on earthly things but heavenly things.
If you know that every word coming out of his mouth is something he doesn't believe, then why listen? It absolutely baffles me.
But those were all written afterward. And of course they would contradict the idea, they were written by someone struggling to reconcile what they hoped would happen with what actually did happen.
But those were all written afterward. And of course they would contradict the idea, they were written by someone struggling to reconcile what they hoped would happen with what actually did happen.
You might be able believe that the prophecy concerning the Jews returning to Israel in the latter days was written after they returned, but I can`t because I was aware this is what the Bible said long before it happened.
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Most of the knowledge increase has been in the life time of people living on earth today.
Depending on how old you are either your parents or grand parents were using horses to work with and get around with as mine were even after I came along, they could not even imagine flying from here to Paris France.
Just becau8se the Sunday school teachers make the story of David and Goliath sound like a fairy tale does not make it a fairy tale.
You are making assumptions on what he is actually "preaching" Chappy.
Check this out, from his last sermon posted online:
Emily Dickenson said the only commandment of Jesus that she could be sure to keep was this one: “Consider the birds.” She could do that. She could be attentive, amazed and enthralled by birds. The via positiva.Not hardly a Christian sermon.If we are going to do any good for our species and for Earth, we must have a healthy, active and practicing via positiva. Spend a few moments each day and be amazed. Fyodor Doestoyevsky, for whom we named one of our dogs penned this in his novel, The Brothers Karamazov:
“Love all God’s creation, both the whole and every grain of sand. Love every leaf, every ray of light. Love the animals, love the plants, love each separate thing. If thou love each thing thou wilt perceive the mystery of God in all; and when once thou perceive this, thou wilt thenceforward grow every day to a fuller understanding of it: until thou come at last to love the whole world with a love that will then be all-embracing and universal.”
The via positiva is an exuberant love for life, for others, for self. One of my favorite hymns is in the Unitarian hymnal. It expresses the via positiva:
Just as long as I have breath, I must answer “Yes” to life.
Joseph Campbell, the great mythologist, wanted to imagine the first self-conscious thought. When did self-consciousness arise? I don’t know. Maybe hundreds of thousands of years, perhaps even a million years ago, at some time deep in our past, one of our ancestors had the first self-conscious thought.
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