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Iím a Presbyterian Minister Who Doesnít Believe in God
Patheos ^ | March 17, 2015 | John Shuck

Posted on 03/21/2015 7:33:01 PM PDT by hiho hiho

“How can you call yourself a Christian, let alone a minister?!”

I get asked that question frequently and the questioner is hostile more often than not. Still, I like to answer it if I believe the questioner is sincere.

Though I self-identify as a Christian and I am an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), I raised eyebrows a few years ago when I posted an article on my website about how my personal beliefs don’t align with those of most Presbyterians.

For example, I believe that:

- Religion is a human construct

- The symbols of faith are products of human cultural evolution

- Jesus may have been an historical figure, but most of what we know about him is in the form of legend

- God is a symbol of myth-making and not credible as a supernatural being or force

- The Bible is a human product as opposed to special revelation from a divine being

- Human consciousness is the result of natural selection, so there’s no afterlife

In short, I regard the symbols of Christianity from a non-supernatural point of view.

And yet, even though I hold those beliefs, I am still a proud minister. But I don’t appreciate being told that I’m not truly a Christian.

Why is that so many people think my affirmations are antithetical to Christianity? I think it is because Christianity has placed all of its eggs in the belief basket. We all have been trained to think that Christianity is about believing things. Its symbols and artifacts (God, Bible, Jesus, Heaven, etc) must be accepted in a certain way. And when times change and these beliefs are no longer credible, the choices we are left with are either rejection or fundamentalism.

I think of Christianity as a culture. It has produced 2,000 years of artifacts: literature, music, art, ethics, architecture, and (yes) beliefs. But cultures evolve and Christianity will have to adapt in order to survive in the modern era.

Many of those paths will be dead ends. As Daniel Dennett once said, the dinosaurs really have not died out because modern birds carry on many of their traits. Similarly, as religions evolve, they may look similar in some respects and quite different in others. You may not even call some of them religions anymore, depending on how you define the word.

I believe one of the newer religious paths could be a “belief-less” Christianity. In this “sect,” one is not required to believe things. One learns and draws upon practices and products of our cultural tradition to create meaning in the present. The last two congregations I have served have huge commitments to equality for LGTBQ people and eco-justice, among other things. They draw from the well of our Christian cultural tradition (and other religious traditions) for encouragement in these efforts. I think a belief-less Christianity can be a positive good for society.

Belief-less Christianity is thriving right now, even as other forms of the faith are falling away rapidly. Many liberal or progressive Christians have already let go or de-emphasized belief in Heaven, that the Bible is literally true, that Jesus is supernatural, and that Christianity is the only way. Yet they still practice what they call Christianity. Instead of traditional beliefs, they emphasize social justice, personal integrity and resilience, and building community. The cultural artifacts serve as resources.

But what about belief in God? Can a belief-less Christianity really survive if God isn’t in the picture? Can you even call that Christianity anymore? In theory, yes. In practice, it is a challenge because “belief in God” seems to be so intractable. However, once people start questioning it and realize that they’re not alone, it becomes much more commonplace.

Since posting my article — and in response to my ministry in general — many have opened up to me that they didn’t believe in God but they liked coming to my church. One young woman, after going through my confirmation class, joined the church. She read her faith statement in front of the congregation. It was a powerful articulation of her social justice commitments in which she added that she didn’t believe in God. The congregation enthusiastically welcomed her, of course.

Personally, even though I don’t believe in God as a supernatural agent or force, many still do. I utilize the symbol “God” in worship. This may be viewed as cheating but since our cultural tradition is filled with images of God, it is near impossible to avoid. As a symbol, I’m not yet ready to let go of God. It is a product of myth-making — I know that — but the symbol incorporates many of our human aspirations. I find that “God” for me is shorthand for all the things for which I long: beauty, truth, healing, and justice. They’re all expressed by this symbol and the stories about it.

Someone quipped that my congregation is BYOG: Bring Your Own God. I use that and invite people to “bring their own God” — or none at all. While the symbol “God” is part of our cultural tradition, you can take it or leave it or redefine it to your liking. That permission to be theological do-it-yourselfers is at the heart of belief-less Christianity.

I understand some Christians may react with hostility and panic to this idea — they already have — but it deserves an honest discussion.


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1 posted on 03/21/2015 7:33:01 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: hiho hiho

PC-USA may have another problem on their hands.

(Come out of her.)


2 posted on 03/21/2015 7:37:15 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: hiho hiho

How refreshing. /s


3 posted on 03/21/2015 7:38:25 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: hiho hiho

Sure he’s not Jewish?


4 posted on 03/21/2015 7:39:33 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (I paid for an argument, but you're just contradicting!)
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To: Resettozero

PC-USA may have another problem on their hands.

(Come out of her.)
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My wife and I left about 4 years ago...never looked back. We now attend a bible based Southern Baptist Church.


5 posted on 03/21/2015 7:39:54 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: hiho hiho

Oy Vey


6 posted on 03/21/2015 7:40:09 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Resettozero

Religion is a human construct. Correct.
Truth has little to do with religion unless that religion is based on the simple truth that God is the sovereign creator of the universe and Jesus the Christ is his incarnate son.


7 posted on 03/21/2015 7:40:11 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: hiho hiho

I have one word for this guy... moron.


8 posted on 03/21/2015 7:41:34 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: hiho hiho

Yeah, it’s not a church. It’s a cult.


9 posted on 03/21/2015 7:41:50 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (You know it's bad when you actually wish that someone would replace your senators with horses.)
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To: hiho hiho

...well then, thanks for saving me the trouble of reading your silly article.


10 posted on 03/21/2015 7:41:53 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: hiho hiho
But I don’t appreciate being told that I’m not truly a Christian.

He certainly has a point. Why would anybody think that?

Jesus may have been an historical figure, but most of what we know about him is in the form of legend.

11 posted on 03/21/2015 7:42:49 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: hiho hiho

You’re not Christian.


12 posted on 03/21/2015 7:43:21 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: hiho hiho
But I don’t appreciate being told that I’m not truly a Christian.

Too bad....it is the truth.
13 posted on 03/21/2015 7:43:53 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: hiho hiho

Typically airy dismissive condescending whoosh from a typical know-it-all anti-theist.

As for myself, I know that my Redeemer liveth.


14 posted on 03/21/2015 7:44:06 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel. My bullets are dipped in pig grease.")
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To: hiho hiho
I did some work in an Universal Unitarian "church" years ago.

The "female" "pastor" had a Darwin fish on her office door.

15 posted on 03/21/2015 7:44:07 PM PDT by PROCON (Always Give 100% --- Unless you're donating blood.)
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To: hiho hiho

This man is not a Christian. I’ll say it.


16 posted on 03/21/2015 7:45:38 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: hiho hiho
Sounds like more of a life coach masquerading as a Christian minister.

Taking Christ out of Christianity is going to be a hard sell.

17 posted on 03/21/2015 7:46:01 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Resettozero

god still Loves you!


18 posted on 03/21/2015 7:46:27 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Very well said.


19 posted on 03/21/2015 7:46:46 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Hey Hillary, ... liar, liar pants on fire.)
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To: hiho hiho

“I self-identify as a Christian “

You can self-identify as a banana, but it doesn’t make you one.


20 posted on 03/21/2015 7:47:31 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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