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Why Church History Always Matters
Place For Truth ^ | March 17, 2015 | Michael Roberts

Posted on 03/20/2015 6:57:58 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Another jolly poster on FR? That’s nice.


21 posted on 03/20/2015 10:35:17 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Like I said, read your Bible. It’s even in the Roman Catholic Bible, the one with extra books added.


22 posted on 03/20/2015 10:35:25 AM PDT by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval officer.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
...ah, the remnant hiding in caves from 95ad thru early 16th century. they have no names, they left no writings, but we know they were there hiding in caves. how we know? ummmm, don’t ask, we just do!

I seem to recognize the spirit behind your posts, jolly poster.
23 posted on 03/20/2015 10:36:55 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

The historicity of one’s “Christian Faith” means little if that “Faith” is not based on the Truth of Jesus Christ and Him alone.

The rest is for show and bluster


we agree!!

but if one has a “faith” other than that believed and confessed for 2,000 years, it is not the Catholic Faith.
small c or Capital C.


24 posted on 03/20/2015 10:38:15 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Gamecock

Like I said, read your Bible. It’s even in the Roman Catholic Bible, the one with extra books added


we are allowed to have Bibles???

well, i’ll be. maybe I will go buy one now.


25 posted on 03/20/2015 10:40:35 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
...well, i’ll be. maybe I will go buy one now.

Yep, that's the RC team spirit all right. Rah. Go conservatives. As long as you (in the general sense) are FRoman Catholics.

(That was a short chat.)
26 posted on 03/20/2015 10:43:57 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

**we are allowed to have Bibles???**

Check with your posse. They have told me more than once y’all are actually allowed to read them now!

Of course that may be their individual interpretations.


27 posted on 03/20/2015 10:45:42 AM PDT by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval officer.)
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To: RnMomof7
"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
-Blessed John Cardinal Henry Newman
28 posted on 03/20/2015 11:44:24 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan; RnMomof7

“To be deep in Scripture is to cease being Papist.”
Unknown


29 posted on 03/20/2015 11:47:04 AM PDT by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval officer.)
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To: Gamecock

(*tsk*) You’re too humble, Gamecock; do take credit for your own quotes!


30 posted on 03/20/2015 11:47:58 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: Gamecock

On a complete side-note: excellent tagline! :)


31 posted on 03/20/2015 11:49:06 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
we are allowed to have Bibles???

Yes, thanks to Hus and others that gave their lives (burned at the stake for Hus) you can now have a Bible.

32 posted on 03/20/2015 11:59:21 AM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice-/Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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Hmm...
F‐2.04 The Confessions as Statements of the Faith of the Protestant Reformation

In its confessions, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) upholds the affirmations of the Protestant Reformation. The focus of these affirmations is God’s grace in Jesus Christ as revealed in the Scriptures. The Protestant watchwords—grace alone, faith alone, Scripture alone—embody principles of understanding that continue to guide and motivate the people of God in the life of faith.
They (the PCUSA, who have been reviled by many non-Catholics on this forum) adhere to "sola Scriptura" and "sola fide". And they approve of abortion, so-called "gay marriage", and other sundry items. By Evangelical Protestant (and similar) reasoning, this means that the members of the PCUSA who profess faith in Jesus are all saved (despite supporting child murder, sodomy, etc.), and they've all been led by the Holy Spirit to correct interpretations of Scripture, as the Bible supposedly [according to some on this forum] promised that they would be.

Interesting...
33 posted on 03/20/2015 12:03:38 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan
"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." -Blessed John Cardinal Henry Newman

If that history includes the scripture on the NT church.. it would mean to see that Rome is not the church founded on Jesus Christ

34 posted on 03/20/2015 12:36:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

You’re... going to have to unpack that one, for me. Forgive me, but I barely made out the syntax of it! Can you elaborate?


35 posted on 03/20/2015 12:47:24 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: CynicalBear
In all too many circles “church” history has been re-written as it has been in secular history.

Whoever wins the war; writes the history.

(So do those who just CLAIM to have won...)

36 posted on 03/20/2015 1:16:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
no, I was deadly serious. the joke is many on this RF board must believe it judging by the way the Church is attacked daily.

Now there is just NO reason for that!



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

37 posted on 03/20/2015 1:18:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gamecock

Boo hoo hoo!

They’ve killed ALL the prophets; I am the only one left; and they are trying to kill ME; too!


38 posted on 03/20/2015 1:19:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gamecock; one Lord one faith one baptism
Check with your posse. They have told me more than once y’all are actually allowed to read them now!
Of course that may be their individual interpretations.

Well actually they are not.. Each pope must affirm ALL the points of Trent

So good old John Paul, Benedict,and Francis all agree no bible reading allowed..

According to the infallible Council of Trent: Since it is clear from experience that if the Sacred Books are permitted everywhere and without discrimination in the vernacular, there will by reason of the boldness of men arise there from more harm than good, the matter is in this respect left to the judgment of the bishop or inquisitor, who may with the advice of the pastor or confessor permit the reading of the Sacred Books translated into the vernacular by Catholic authors to those who they know will derive from such reading no harm but rather an increase of faith and piety, which permission they must have in writing. Those, however, who presume to read or possess them without such permission, may not receive absolution from their sins till they have handed them over to the ordinary. Book-dealers who sell or in any other way supply Bibles written in the vernacular to anyone who has not this permission, shall lose the price of the books, which is to be applied by the bishop to pious purposes, and in keeping with the nature of the crime they shall be subject to other penalties which are left to the judgment of the same bishop. Regulars who have not the permission of their superiors may not read or purchase them. (Council of Trent, Tridentine Rules: Rule 4)

39 posted on 03/20/2015 1:20:09 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Syncro
Yes, thanks to Hus and others that gave their lives (burned at the stake for Hus) you can now have a Bible.

Who is willing to be burned at the stake for CHOICE illegality?


40 posted on 03/20/2015 1:21:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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