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FEELING DEVASTATED BY WHAT POPE FRANCIS SAYS? TRY THESE 3 HELPFUL KEYS
Catholic Vote ^ | January 22, 2015 | THOMAS PETERS

Posted on 01/23/2015 6:35:46 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 01/23/2015 6:35:46 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/23/2015 6:36:18 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
"Finally, before we ever take issue with something he says we had better be sure we’ve read what he said (NOT the media report!), tried to understand the context and make sure the translation is accurate and reliable".

BIG TIME!

3 posted on 01/23/2015 6:42:51 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Gamecock; metmom; daniel1212; BlueDragon; Mark17
FEELING DEVASTATED BY WHAT POPE FRANCIS SAYS? TRY THESE 3 HELPFUL KEYS

1) Remind yourself that the Pope was probably mistranslated
2) Remind yourself the Pope isn't supposed to be infallible
3) Remind yourself that the Sedevacantists are taking new members

4 posted on 01/23/2015 6:43:19 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Remember that the bishop of Rome has no more insight or power than any one else on earth comes the judgment


5 posted on 01/23/2015 6:48:32 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Alex Murphy
Remind yourself the Pope isn't supposed to be infallible

???

6 posted on 01/23/2015 6:52:34 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: defconw

pope has to KNOW how he is being portrayed-

He has to know whether he is being quoted wrong or
out of context- because some of the outrageous and
possibly ANTI Christian mumblings he has said-
(or quoted incorrectly for the MSM ?)

Global warming?
Homos?
redistribute wealth?
open borders?

ISLAM !! ?

If he is being quoted incorrectly- than he should JUST shut up- and READ from a prepared statement.


7 posted on 01/23/2015 6:55:56 AM PST by mj1234
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The rabbits comment is a clear indication that he buys into the climate change stuff. Too many humans are DESTROYING THE PLANET!

Like Thomas Malthus his solution appears to be outlawing sex.

The lack of faith in an Almighty Creator to not populate the planet with more people than He is willing to sustain is striking.


8 posted on 01/23/2015 7:00:59 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer

This long article can be translated thusly :

“This Pope sticks his foot in his mouth more often than Joe Biden “


9 posted on 01/23/2015 7:06:24 AM PST by aquila48
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To: NYer

The number 1 thing to remember is that the Pope is a Jesuit. A better understanding of Ignatian Spirituality will lead to a better understanding of who the Pope is.


10 posted on 01/23/2015 7:13:56 AM PST by rwa265
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To: Alex Murphy

Comments like this are why this should have been a caucus thread.


11 posted on 01/23/2015 7:21:44 AM PST by verga
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To: mj1234
Maybe he doesn't care, he's not a king, or a president or a rock star. Maybe he's saying what he's being prompted to say in his heart. I can't think of a single thing he could say that make everyone on this forum much less the world, shut up.

Maybe people should stop reading headlines and soundbites and actually read his entire remarks.

But in this world where everyone feels the need to be little Bill O'Reilly's and battle to see who can be the most pithy, I doubt that will happen. I myself have fallen into this trap, but I am trying to wait and see what he actually said.

How many people take what he says and read it and pray over it and try to understand it? I would say not very many. When read in context, I have found nothing to be anti-Christian in his remarks.

Open borders? Is he only a Pope for The United States? Pope's don't generally see borders, they see people, people who need help.

It is true some people have more then they need, I don't see him forcing people to turn over their cash, ie redistribution. I have never known a priest who has not admonished us to look in our hearts and see if we really need to have 3 big screen TV's and 4 cars.

From what I have seen so far and I am anxious to read his encyclical on the climate. What I see him saying is that we should not waste our resources. There have been times that people in a quest for wealth have abused our planet. What would we have left if ethical people did not demand that we replant forests? What would happen if every piece of earth was to be paved? What would happen if we did not find a way to take care of our garbage? I find that we as Americans seem to take everything personally. We have a relatively clean and safe environment. What about countries like India, China, Nigeria?

Finally homosexuals. Years have been spent trying to ignore their existence. I don't pretend to know how to deal with them. But they are demanding to be recognized, so what shall we do with them. Shall we glue their anuses shut and throw them off buildings like Islam? I don't think that is the right answer. I also don't think allowing them to "marry" is the right answer, but shouting at them is not going to show them their error. I know there is a penchant for violence on this forum. I cringe at people reporting with glee how they beat their kids. What we don't hear is how that turned out. Where there is always a need for discipline as is the case for children and sinners, that which is done out of love and understanding is more effective. So how do you do that? By ignoring them or by trying to at very least open a discussion with them in hopes they will reorder their lives?

12 posted on 01/23/2015 7:27:20 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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FEELING DEVASTATED BY WHAT POPE FRANCIS SAYS?

No.

13 posted on 01/23/2015 7:28:36 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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He looks a little like Abe Vigoda - who, in case you were wondering, is alive.

http://www.abevigoda.com/


14 posted on 01/23/2015 7:30:26 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

**The rabbits comment is a clear indication that he buys into the climate change stuff. Too many humans are DESTROYING THE PLANET!**

This was all reversed in his Wednesday audience.


15 posted on 01/23/2015 7:34:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

The extent to which people will delude themselves is amazing.

Questions to ponder, Is a lie (said or unsaid) to yourself a sin when you believe it?

I believe so.


16 posted on 01/23/2015 7:34:41 AM PST by dila813
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To: Alex Murphy
the Pope isn't supposed to be infallible

That's the position of the Orthodox Catholic Church. They've survived a thousand years of leftist attacks and takeover attempts.

17 posted on 01/23/2015 7:41:57 AM PST by Reeses
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Mr. Peters already touched on it, but it can never be said too many times: 4. Take the time to make sure he actually said what you think he said.

5. He’s not attuned to all the nuances of US conservative political language, shouldn’t be expected to be, and it’s not his job anyway.


18 posted on 01/23/2015 8:47:46 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: NYer

Good observations.


19 posted on 01/23/2015 8:54:03 AM PST by Tax-chick ("A war is not over until the enemy stops fighting." ~ Thomas Sowell)
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To: Salvation; Buckeye McFrog
**The rabbits comment is a clear indication that he buys into the climate change stuff. Too many humans are DESTROYING THE PLANET!**
This was all reversed in his Wednesday audience.

Too late...just like Obama, his political advisers told him to mitigate that comment..."from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks"

20 posted on 01/23/2015 9:05:50 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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