What Made David Great?

Ligonier.org ^ | Jan 14, 2015 | Kevin DeYoung

[metmom]

I noticed how many times *schismatics* shows up.

The RCC allows NO dissent.

[yldstrk]

wow great research. So I think what it means then is that you go to a church that is not divorced from the Catholic Church.

[metmom]

Nice try.

No dice.

The problem Catholics have is that they think that the church one attends actually means something in terms of being saved as if salvation is found in a church or denomination.

[xone]

a Martin Luther follower? He was an evil person.

In what way? Because he turned against the failures of the Catholic church?

[yldstrk]

He was a terrible antiSemite.

[metmom]

>>>So, are you a Martin Luther follower? He was an evil person. Or are you a King Henry follower? He too was evil. Better watch your comments lest they make you look ignorant.<<<

Top 10 Most Wicked Popes
http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/
1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
2. Honorius I, reigned 625-638 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
3. Stephen VI, reigned 896-89 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
5. Benedict IX, reigned 1032-1048 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
6. Boniface VIII, reigned 1294-1303 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
7. Urban VI, reigned 1378-1389 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
8. Alexander VI, reigned 1492-1503 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
9. Leo X, reigned 1513-1521 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
10. Clement VII, reigned 1523-1524 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
Top 10 Worst Popes in History
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php
1. Pope Alexander VI (1431 – 1503)
2. Pope John XII (c. 937 – 964)
3. Pope Benedict IX (c. 1012 – 1065/85)
4. Pope Sergius III (? – 911)
5. Pope Stephen VI (? – 897)
6. Pope Julius III (1487 – 1555)
7. Pope Urban II (ca. 1035 – 1099)
8. Pope Clement VI (1291 – 1352)
9. Pope Leo X (1475 – 1521)
10. Pope Boniface VIII (c. 1235 – 1303)

[Elsie]

Hater...

[xone]

He was a terrible antiSemite.

If that's the charge, then he should have attained sainthood from the Catholics. Just like their Pope Pius V from the same era did when he expelled the Jews from the Papal states. Now Luther talked poorly about Jews, your saintly Popes expel them from their homes. If I look, I'm sure I'll see the same level of condemnation for Pius V then, right? Thought not.

[yldstrk]

Well I don’t know about Pius, but if there is antiSemitism it is wrong. That said, I don’t cotton to the idea that every person who was appointed to Peter’s Chair was perfect or has to be regarded as having been perfect. Is everyone of your pastors or bishops or whatever you have perfect? Peter’s Chair is perfect. The broken humans chosen for it have big shoes to fill. Even Peter wasn’t perfect. Old David sure wasn’t perfect. Imperfect Popes paid for it I am sure when they were finally judged. That said there have been some great ones.

[xone]

Old David sure wasn’t perfect.

Article doesn't call David 'perfect', just great. He is called 'a man after God's heart'. Since his works obviously weren't perfect, how could this be?

As for Luther, no one calls him perfect. You called him an anti-semite which he was, that qualified him as 'evil person'. Yet the same sin acted upon as the Popes did doesn't qualify as evil with you, just 'imperfect'.

[metmom]

Well I don’t know about Pius, but if there is antiSemitism it is wrong. That said, I don’t cotton to the idea that every person who was appointed to Peter’s Chair was perfect or has to be regarded as having been perfect. Is everyone of your pastors or bishops or whatever you have perfect? Peter’s Chair is perfect. The broken humans chosen for it have big shoes to fill. Even Peter wasn’t perfect. Old David sure wasn’t perfect. Imperfect Popes paid for it I am sure when they were finally judged. That said there have been some great ones.

Then why the focus on every alleged little misstatement or possible error from Luther.

RC's demand perfection out of him and castigate him for stuff that they can't even prove, and yet when it's popes or priests.....

This is the kind of answer we get?

They hold Luther to standards that probably Jesus couldn't meet, and RC's blowing off heinous sin with *hey we're all just sinners, and nobody is perfect*.

Could any Catholic demonstrate some integrity and apply the same standard to ALL men instead of giving themselves a pass and condemning everyone not them?

Luther's track record pales in comparison to so many of your popes and priests.

Catholics need to quit being such hypocrites

[yldstrk]

we’re done metmom. I thought you were more measured than that.

[metmom]

More measured?

That I expect people to be fair in how they measure people?

That I expect Catholics to hold their own leaders to the same standard that they hold others?

Or excuse Luther like they excuse their own leadership?

Is there something wrong with expecting some impartiality?

Luther Derangement Syndrome is worse than I thought.

[CynicalBear]

>>That I expect Catholics to hold their own leaders to the same standard that they hold others?<<

I think if it were not for double speak the Catholic Church and it's followers would be mute.

[Mark17]

Luther Derangement Syndrome is worse than I thought.

Roger that mom. I don't know a whole lot about Luther, but it looks like someone else here, who will remain unnamed, has Luther on the mind. Don't worry if someone thinks you should be more measured, whatever that means. Keep telling the truth, from another ex catholic, as you are too. CynicalB, whether it is called double speak, catholic speak or cult speak, it is all one and the same.

[Elsie]

Imperfect Popes paid for it I am sure when they were finally judged.

WERE???

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It ain't happened YET!!!

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Exodus 32:32-33
 But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”  But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.

 

Daniel 12:1
 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

 

 

 

Philippians 4:3
 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

 

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

 

 

Revelation 17:8
 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

 

 

Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

 

Revelation 21:27

Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

[Elsie]

Our oxen NEVER get gored!!!

[Elsie]

we’re done metmom. I thought you were more measured than that.

Yeah...

How DARE she mention the elephant in the room!?

[Elsie]

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