Pope Francis greets Curia for Christmas, and rips them to shreds

WDTPRS ^ | December 22, 2014 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

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Skirting the truth again? It was Francis who first brought up the topic on the plane ride back from Rio.

It was Francis who had the question brought up in the pre-SinNod survey that was distributed worldwide.

It was Francis who praised Kasper’s heretical proposition as “theology on its knees.

After being voted down by the bishops, it was Francis who ordered the proposal to be printed anyway.

It is Francis, who has said the topic will again be brought up at the next SinNod.

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Cardinal Raymond Burke himself, Lion of Orthodoxy, said Pope Francis does not favor changing this in theory or in practice.

And everyone knows how Francis has treated the good Cardinal Burke.

Did you know Francis sided with Kasper in Kasper's little spat with Mueller over Communion to adulterers?

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Bringing up the topic" does not mean he wants the bishops to support it. It could be he wants the bishops to get all the controversy out into the open and soundly refute it.

Plenty of FReepers, including yourself and myself, have brought up, even posted, topics which we wanted to be picked apart and considered critically, and repudiated in whole or in part--- not endorsed whole hog.

And your previous statement, which was that Pope Francis is "a pope who is doing his best to sanction adultery" is untrue and ought to be retracted.

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Look at the trend that Francis has started. Aren't you proud of him?

Cardinal Marx: German bishops favor allowing Communion for divorced/remarried

Francis allows Kasper to continue to promote heresy; no reason to think he'll reprimand Marx.

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"Bringing up the topic" does not mean he wants the bishops to support it. It could be he wants the bishops to get all the controversy out into the open and soundly refute it.

That's a downright silly argument. Why not bring up incest or after-birth infancticide just to soundly refute it?

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And your previous statement, which was that Pope Francis is "a pope who is doing his best to sanction adultery" is untrue and ought to be retracted.

I will never retract a truth.

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The Pope criticized them for things like “working too hard” and “planning too much,” and “arrogantly exercising their power,” I guess unlike humble little flower strewing Francis himself.

There’s a Spanish saying: “Consejos vendo, pero para mi no tengo.” The means, lieterally, I’m selling advice, but I don’t have any for myself. He’s busy diagnosing faults in other people, but maybe he should look at himself and his own behavior, which is fracturing the Church and driving away faithful Catholics.

But progressives such as the Pope - and Obama _ are so convinced that they are morally in the right that thie never even occurs to them.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Burke has not complained about his reassignment or said it was a punishment, or a humiliation, or that it was imposed with malicious intent. I wish good Catholics would recognize Burke’s virtue and follow his example.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I think Kasper and Marx are in error, and I think their legs are going to cut out from under them at the 2015 Synod. You watch.

[Mrs. Don-o]

" Why not bring up incest or after-birth infancticide just to soundly refute it?"

Because they're not being proposed -- yet-- by certain German bishops, or popularized --- yet --- by the Political-Media Complex.

Marx and Kasper are going to be smacked down hard, and I think it's the Burke Five (Burke, Muller, Brandmuller, Caffarra, and de Paolis) plus the African bishops who'll lead the smackdown.

I can't wait.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I didn’t ask you to retract a truth.

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Because they're not being proposed -- yet-- by certain German bishops, or popularized --- yet --- by the Political-Media Complex.

It was Francis who first popularized it, as Pope and in front of international media. If Francis wanted to shutdown any and all talk of giving Holy Communion to adulterers, he, as Vicar of Christ, could do it on any day of the week with one simple pronouncement. Instead the sneaky Bishop of Rome floats the proposition in a worldwide questionnaire, allows Kasper to propose his "serene theology" to the bishops and even allows the heresy to be brought up for a vote. Although a majority of bishops voted in favor of the heresy (a further indication of the sad state of the Church), votes for approval did not reach the required quorum. Francis, however, would not and has not allowed Kasper's evil dream to die. Francis has already stated the evil propostion will come again at the 2015 SinNod. And Cardinal Burke will not be at that SinNod.

Never before has a pope put morality and the condoning of mortal sin up for a vote.

Marx and Kasper are going to be smacked down hard, and I think it's the Burke Five (Burke, Muller, Brandmuller, Caffarra, and de Paolis) plus the African bishops who'll lead the smackdown.

Don't kid yourself. Nobody is going to smack down anybody without Francis' approval and he's fully behind Kasper and his heresy.

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I’ve known for a long time that your concept of “truth” is far from mine. Anybody who can defend Francis’ promotion of Kasper’s heresy,... well, I’ll stop there.

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I wish good Catholics would recognize Burke’s virtue and follow his example.

I wish "good" Catholics would take these words of Cardinal Burke to heart:

Cardinal Raymond Burke said in an interview this week that it is “amazing” that those who have defended Catholic teaching and practice on withholding Communion from those in publicly “irregular” sexual situations, are being accused of “being against the Holy Father, and of not being in harmony with the Church.”

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Anybody who can defend Francis’ promotion of Kasper’s heresy..."

Burke has said he has no evidence that Pope Francis wants to change the doctrine on divorce/remarriage. Do you know something he doesn't know?

Burke has repeatedly said he's amazed when people imply he's "against the Holy Father," when he's not! Let me give you a quote:

"Cardinal Raymond Burke said in an interview this week that it is “amazing” that those who have defended Catholic teaching and practice on withholding Communion from those in publicly “irregular” sexual situations, are being accused of “being against the Holy Father, and of not being in harmony with the Church.”

Do you think Burke is "against the Holy Father"?

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Do you think Burke is "against the Holy Father"?

I think the Holy Father is against Christ's own Words; so, "Yes".

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Marx and Kasper are going to be smacked down hard, and I think it's the Burke Five (Burke, Muller, Brandmuller, Caffarra, and de Paolis) plus the African bishops who'll lead the smackdown.

The retired Kasper (Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict XVI' archnemesis) has been given new life by Francis. Francis has placed Kasper on a pedestal to preach his heresy far and wide.

Marx has been handpicked by Francis to lead his Gang o' Nine.

It was Cardinal Burke who was smacked down hard, being removed from three significant positions of responsibility.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Read my previous post again. You seem to have missed that I didn’t say Pope Francis would do the smackdown of Kasper and his cohort. I said Marx and Kasper are going to be smacked down hard, and I think it’s Burke, Muller, Brandmuller, Caffarra, and de Paolina, plus the African bishops who’ll lead the demolition tram.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Do you think Burke is "against the Holy Father"?...
"I think the Holy Father is against Christ's own Words"

Something you've not been able to prove with Francis' own words, so you're rather at a disadvantage there...

"...so, "Yes".

Well that's unfortunate, because now you're making out Burke to be a liar.

I'm sticking with Burke's version of the story. I have a great deal of respect for him.

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I heard Cardinal Muller speak recently.
A serious but joyful man who has a wonderful sense of humor. He struck me as wholly dedicated to The Truth.