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To: metmom

paul writes of the cleansing, as if by fire, and you will be tested, and, the perishable will be burnt. Jesus also tells us as if youwere in prison, and your sentence needs to be paid, in order for you to leave.

philippians ststes very clearly that “ work out you salvation in fear and trembling”, also.”run the race until the very end”. both clearly state that there is no one time acceptance of Jesus as an assurance of salvation.

one cannot diein an absolute state of grace, one would have some small sins at least ( a just man sins sevens times daily ), and you have to be in perfect grace to see God.


52 posted on 11/17/2014 9:38:50 AM PST by haole (John 10 30)
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To: haole; metmom
one cannot diein an absolute state of grace, one would have some small sins at least ( a just man sins sevens times daily ), and you have to be in perfect grace to see God.

uh....Paul disagrees. btw..if caths believe you sin at least seven times a day, you best be living with the priest so you can confess on a daily, if not hourly basis. good thing Christianity has already taken care of that with Christ's sacrifice on the cross for ALL of our sins.

Romans 4:7-8

7“BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.

8“BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.”

53 posted on 11/17/2014 10:51:42 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: haole; metmom

>> philippians ststes very clearly that “ work out you salvation in fear and trembling” <<

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That ‘working out’ is not in Purgatory, it is here on Earth.

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>> also.”run the race until the very end”. both clearly state that there is no one time acceptance of Jesus as an assurance of salvation. <<

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Our ‘assurance’ comes not from the Biblically non-existent ‘sinner’s prayer,’ but from our knowledge that we are faithfully keeping his commandments, and from the knowledge that he and he alone has paid the price for the sins we committed prior to our mikva. Hebrews 6 explains what happens to those that later turn from that faith.


57 posted on 11/17/2014 11:28:04 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: haole
one cannot diein an absolute state of grace, one would have some small sins at least ( a just man sins sevens times daily ), and you have to be in perfect grace to see God.

Forgiveness is forgiveness.

Attaining heaven isn't a matter of being *in* or *out* of God's grace.

We live and die in God's grace. Every breath we take is by His grace.

Where sin abounds, grace much more abounds. We are made worthy of heaven by God's grace, but we enter because we're forgiven, the record of debt that stood against us has been canceled. There's no such thing as being out of God's grace.

58 posted on 11/17/2014 12:17:30 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: haole
a just man sins sevens times daily

Says who?

95 posted on 11/18/2014 3:43:08 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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