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Millennial Series: Part 19: Premillennialism and the Church
Bible.org ^ | 1954 | John F. Walvoord

Posted on 10/26/2014 1:44:30 PM PDT by wmfights

The doctrine of the church has always rightly been considered an important part of theology. Embraced within its revelation are the principal items of the present divine program as well as the ultimate purpose of God. According to Lewis Sperry Chafer, the truth concerning the church is one of the two major Pauline revelations given in the New Testament, the other being the gospel of salvation by faith. [1] Lewis Sperry Chafer, Systematic Theology, IV, 3-4.

It is strange that more attention has not been paid to the relation of ecclesiology to premillennialism. Various views on the millennium have their corresponding concepts of the church in the present age. Amillennialism identifies the present church age with the predicted millennial kingdom on earth. Premillennialism places the millennium after the second advent and therefore divorces it from the present church age. It is not too much to say that ecclesiology may be characterized as being either amillennial or premillennial. [2] Cf. John F. Walvoord, “Amillennial Ecclesiology,” Bibliotheca Sacra, 107:420-29, October-December, 1950. Premillennialism has, then, an important bearing on the doctrine of the church, and vice versa. Many of the important aspects of premillennialism are determined in ecclesiology rather than in eschatology. The doctrine of the church must, therefore, be carefully examined before eschatology can be understood.

Major Types of Ecclesiology

Various points of view of the doctrine of the church are afforded respectively in the Roman, Greek, and Protestant churches. Again distinctions are raised in regard to the church as an institution and as an organism, and the church as visible and invisible. [3] Cf. Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology, pp. 562-78. The church can also be considered in regard to its form of church government, officers, and sacraments. There are few doctrines which have as many facets as ecclesiology. As bearing on premillennialism, however, ecclesiology can be classified into three types: covenant theology, kingdom theology, and dispensational theology.

Covenant theology in relation to premillennialism. As indicated in earlier studies of the Biblical covenants, covenant theology characteristically belongs to amillennial and postmillennial theology, but there have always been adherents of covenant theology who could be classified as premillennial. Covenant theology, in a word, conceives the purpose of God as essentially soteriological, or concerned with the salvation of the elect. The unfolding of the successive ages of God’s dealings with men is, then, the fulfillment of the divine purpose supposedly embraced in an eternal covenant within the Godhead. This normally issues in a merging of Israel and the church and the point of view which considers the Old Testament, the present age, and the future millennium essentially parts of one progressive purpose. The strongest proponents of covenant theology today are Reformed churches still adhering clearly to Calvin and conservative theology. These are usually amillennial rather than premillennial and are opposed to dispensational theology. Premillenarians who hold to covenant theology are often quite similar to amillenarians in their exegesis of passages relating to the present age, but as premillenarians they add a millennial age after the second advent on the basis of Revelation 20 and many other passages.

Kingdom theology. Another type of ecclesiology is afforded by those who emphasize kingdom ideology in the Scriptures. While this is often identical with covenant theology, it is not necessarily so. The kingdom of God is regarded as the embracive term including the church in the present age and the millennium in the future. Like covenant theology, however, it tends to identify the kingdom as soteriological rather than governmental and to all practical purposes it is covenant theology all over again but without the covenantal background specifically. [4] Cf. George E. Ladd, Crucial Questions about the Kingdom of God, pp. 80-85, 92-94. To some extent kingdom theology has been carried over into modern liberalism with its identification of the kingdom as the whole purpose of God in human history, often reducing it to a simple moral concept. Kingdom theology as a whole tends to minimize the distinctive character of the millennial kingdom and to make it an aspect of kingdom truth such as is found throughout human history. Like covenant theology it is more in harmony with amillennial theology than with premillennial, but it has nevertheless had its place within premillennialism.

Dispensational theology. While the dispensational idea is as old as theology itself, with elaborate dispensational systems being evolved even before Christ, in recent years the term has been applied to a specific point of view taught by modern dispensationalists. Dispensationalism in the past was not confined to premillennialism, and well-defined systems of dispensationalism are found in Augustine, an amillenarian, in Hodge, a postmillenarian, and in practically all Protestant systematic theologians. In the contemporary meaning of the term, however, dispensationalism is largely confined to premillennialism. While not denying an essential unity to divine dealings in human history, it distinguishes major stewardships or purposes of God, particularly as revealed ini three important dispensations of law, grace, and kingdom. Saints of the present age are regarded as fulfilling the present purpose of God to call out a body of saints from Jew and Gentile alike. By contrast Old Testament saints are considered a separate people and in particular Israel is regarded as fulfilling a purpose of God peculiarly for them. The future millennium is considered a separate age, different from either the law or grace periods, and having a form of stewardship distinct from all previous dispensations. Christ did not say, “I am building,” but “I will build.” It is significant that this is the first reference to the church in the New Testament, and is here regarded as a future undertaking of Christ Himself.

The body of Christ formed at Pentecost. In Acts 1:5, Christ predicted, “John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence.” Ten days later was the Day of Pentecost. As far as the record of Acts 2 is concerned, nothing is said of the baptism of the Spirit. In Acts 11:15, however, in relating the story of the conversion of Cornelius Peter states, “And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them, even as on us at the beginning.” In the next verse he cites this as fulfilling the prophecy of Christ in Acts 1:5. The baptism of the Spirit which is the subject of predictive prophecy in the Gospels and in Acts 1 finds its first fulfillment in Acts 2.

The classic passage on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 12:13, declares: “For in [by] one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.” The baptism of the Spirit is the act of God by which the individual believer in Christ is placed into the body of Christ. The Greek preposition en, translated “in” in the American Standard Version, is properly rendered “by” in both the Authorized and the Revised Standard Version in recognition of its instrumental use. The Spirit is the agent by whom the work of God is accomplished.

In virtue of these significant truths, it becomes apparent that a new thing has been formed—the body of Christ. It did not exist before Pentecost as there was no work of the baptism of the Spirit to form it. The concept of the body is foreign to the Old Testament and to Israel’s promises. Something new had begun. Peter declares that Pentecost was a new beginning (Acts 11:15). Saved Israelites under the old economy were placed into the body of Christ at Pentecost (cf. Gal 3:28; Eph 2:14-15). Thereafter the church is distinguished from both Jew and Gentile (1 Cor 10:32; Heb 12:22-24). The church as the body of Christ is therefore a new entity, and the term ecclesia when used in this sense is used only of saints of the present dispensation.

The Church Age as a Parenthesis

One of the important questions raised by the amillenarians is whether the present age is predicted in the Old Testament. This they confidently affirm and find the kingdom promises fulfilled in the present church age. Premillenarians have not always given a clear answer to the amillennial position. While dispensationalists have regarded the present age as a parenthesis unexpected and without specific prediction in the Old Testament, some premillenarians have tended to strike a compromise interpretation in which part of the Old Testament predictions are fulfilled now and part in the future. In some cases they have conceded so much to the amillenarians that for all practical purposes they have surrendered premillennialism as well. It is the purpose of the present investigation to show the reasonableness and Scriptural support of the parenthesis concept.

Daniel’ s seventieth week for Israel. One of the classic passages related to this problem is Daniel 9:27, defining the last of Daniel’s weeks for the fulfillment of Israel’s program. As generally interpreted the time unit in the “weeks” or “sevens” is taken to be a year. Conservative scholars usually trace the fulfillment of the first sixty-nine sevens of years as culminating in the crucifixion of Christ, predicted in the terms that “the anointed one be cut off and shall have nothing” (Dan 9:26). While the most literal interpretation of the first sixty-nine sevens is thus afforded a literal fulfillment, nothing can be found in history that provides a literal fulfillment of the last seven or the seventieth week. It has been taken by many that this indicates a postponement of the fulfillment of the last seven years of the prophecy to the future preceding the second advent. If so, a parenthesis of time involving the whole present age is indicated.

This proposal has been rejected by the liberal, by the amillenarian, and by some premillenarians, particularly those who are not dispensationalists. Philip Mauro, an amillenarian, states flatly, “Never has a specified number of time-units, making up a described stretch of time, been taken to mean anything but continuous or consecutive time units.” [5] Philip Mauro, The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation, p. 95.

It should be obvious to careful students of the Bible that Mauro is not only begging the question but is overlooking abundant evidence to the contrary. Nothing should be plainer to one reading the Old Testament than that the foreview therein provided did not predict a period of time between the two advents. This very fact confused even the prophets (cf. 1 Pet 1:10-12). At best such a time interval was only implied. In the very passage involved, Daniel 9:24-27, it is indicated that there would be a time interval. The anointed one, or the Messiah, is cut off after the sixty-ninth week, but not in the seventieth. Such a circumstance could be true only if there were a time interval between these two periods.

Many illustrations of parentheses in the Old Testament. As H. A. Ironside has made clear in his thorough study of this problem, [6] H. A. Ironside, The Great Parenthesis, 131 pp. there are more than a dozen instances of parenthetical periods in the divine program. In Luke 4:18-20, quoting Isaiah 61:2, obviously the present age now extending over 1900 years intervenes between the “acceptable year of the Lord” and the “day of vengeance of our God.” There is no indication in the Isaiah passage of any interval at all, but Christ stopped abruptly in the middle of the sentence in His quotation in Luke thus indicating the division. A similar spanning of the entire church age is found in Hosea 3:4 as compared to 3:5 and Hosea 5:15 as compared with 6:1 . Psalm 22 predicts the sufferings of Christ (Ps 22:1-21), anticipates the resurrection of Christ (Ps 22:22), and then in the remainder of the psalm deals with millennial conditions without a reference to the present age. This characteristic is found in much of Messianic prophecy in the Old Testament.

The prophetic foreview of Daniel 2 in Nebuchadnezzar’s image and the fourth beast of Daniel 7:23-27 likewise ignores the present age. Daniel 8:24 seems to refer to Antiochus Epiphanes (B.C. 170), whereas Daniel 8:25 leaps the entire present age to discuss the future beast of Revelation 13 who will appear after the church age is concluded. A similar instance is found in Daniel 11:35 as compared with Daniel 11:36. Psalm 110:1 speaks of Christ in heaven and Psalm 110:2 refers to His ultimate triumph at His second advent.

Ironside suggests that Peter stops in the middle of his quotation of Psalm 34:12-16 in 1 Peter 3:10-12 because the last part of Psalm 34:16 seems to refer to future dealings of God with sin in contrast to present discipline. [7] Ibid., p. 44. The truth of a parenthesis is implied in Matthew 24 where the present age is described as preceding and intervening between the cross and the sign foretold by Daniel 9:27 (cf. Matt 24:15). Acts 15:13-21, discussed in previous study of premillenniilism, makes sense when it is understood that the present age intervenes between the cross and the future blessing of Israel in the millennium.

Even in types, the interval is anticipated. The yearly schedule of feasts for Israel separates widely those prefiguring the death and resurrection of Christ and those anticipating Israel’s regathering and glory. In the New Testament, the use of the olive tree as a figure in Romans 11 involves the three stages: (1) Israel in the place of blessing; (2) Israel cut off and the Gentiles in the place of blessing; (3) the Gentiles cut off and Israel grafted in again. The present age and Israel’s time of discipline and judgment coincide and constitute a parenthesis in the divine program for Israel.

Sir Robert Anderson in regard to 1 Kings 6:1 finds the discrepancy of 480 years as opposed to 573 years, which was the actual length of time for the period from the departure from Egypt to the building of the temple, is solved by subtracting 93 years during which Israel was cast off as a nation—five different periods of time (Judg 3:8, 14; 4:2-3 ; 6:1 ; 13:1 ). If Anderson’s findings are accepted, it provides a clear illustration of time intervals embedded in a chronological program of the Old Testament.

The ultimate proof of the teaching that the present age is a parenthesis is in the positive revelation concerning the church as the body of Christ, the study of which will be undertaken next. The evidence for a parenthesis in the present age interrupting God’s predicted program for Jew and Gentile as revealed in the Old Testament is extensive, however. The evidence if interpreted literally leads inevitably to the parenthesis doctrine. The kingdom predictions of the Old Testament do not conform to the pattern of this present age. Amillenarians from Augustine down to the present make no pretense of interpreting these prophecies in the same literal way as premillenarians. Those among the premillennial group who see clearly the issues involved would do well to divorce themselves from the amillennial method in dealing with the prophetic word, and interpret the prophecies of the Old Testament in relation to the millennium rather than the present age.


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The classic passage on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 12:13, declares: “For in [by] one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.” The baptism of the Spirit is the act of God by which the individual believer in Christ is placed into the body of Christ.

In virtue of these significant truths, it becomes apparent that a new thing has been formed—the body of Christ. It did not exist before Pentecost as there was no work of the baptism of the Spirit to form it. The concept of the body is foreign to the Old Testament and to Israel’s promises. Something new had begun. Peter declares that Pentecost was a new beginning (Acts 11:15). Saved Israelites under the old economy were placed into the body of Christ at Pentecost (cf. Gal 3:28; Eph 2:14-15). Thereafter the church is distinguished from both Jew and Gentile (1 Cor 10:32; Heb 12:22-24). The church as the body of Christ is therefore a new entity, and the term ecclesia when used in this sense is used only of saints of the present dispensation.

One of the important questions raised by the amillenarians is whether the present age is predicted in the Old Testament. This they confidently affirm and find the kingdom promises fulfilled in the present church age. Premillenarians have not always given a clear answer to the amillennial position. While dispensationalists have regarded the present age as a parenthesis unexpected and without specific prediction in the Old Testament,...

1 posted on 10/26/2014 1:44:30 PM PDT by wmfights
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2 posted on 10/26/2014 1:46:12 PM PDT by wmfights
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The creation of the Body of Christ (the church) is a proof that God has established different dispensations in His plan for us. Understanding that this Age of Grace is different from the Millennial Age and that each age achieves different purposes of God leads to a greater understanding of how great God’s mercy is.


3 posted on 10/26/2014 2:03:02 PM PDT by wmfights
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That was a great post. God’s love for His Son, and His plan for the Church and His Son is the sweetest love story ever told. Christ loved the Church and died for her, is perfecting her now, and will bring her to Himself to reign with Him. And to be proof to the heavenly hosts throughout all eternity that Lucifer’s insinuation that God was unrighteous and was keeping something from man was entirely false, and that all of His motives are pure. God IS love, manifested in mercy and righteousness. PRAISE THE LORD

With Harps and with Viols by A.T.Pierson

With harps and with vials, there stand a great throng
In the presence of Jesus, and sing this new song:
Unto Him Who hath loved us and washed us from sin,
Unto Him be the glory forever, Amen.

All these once were sinners, defiled in His sight,
Now arrayed in pure garments in praise they unite:
Unto Him Who hath loved us and washed us from sin,
Unto Him be the glory forever, Amen.

He maketh the rebel a priest and a king,
He hath bought us and taught us this new song to sing:
Unto Him Who hath loved us and washed us from sin,
Unto Him be the glory forever, Amen.

How helpless and hopeless we sinners had been,
If He never had loved us till cleansed from our sin:
Unto Him Who hath loved us and washed us from sin,
Unto Him be the glory forever, Amen.

Aloud in His praises our voices shall ring,
So that others believing, this new song shall sing:

Refrain


4 posted on 10/26/2014 3:22:05 PM PDT by CThomasFan
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To: wmfights

I’ve got Walvoord’s books, most of it is but long winded theories of men. I don’t find the compartmentalization of history into John Darby’s seven “dispensations” taught in scripture anywhere.

I believe Darby hijacked the covenants from his former Amillennial Covenant Theology and renamed them “dispensations.” With his pretrib rapture, he formulated quite a novel system. Walvoord and the Dallas Theological Seminary, coming along later, bought it all, hook line and sinker.

The church is not God’s temporary girlfriend, a temporary arrangement, or “parenthesis,” till he can pick back up where he left off with his true love, Judaism. The church God predestined from the foundation of the earth, Eph. 1:4. God’s plan “A,” He has no plan “B.”


5 posted on 10/26/2014 3:30:13 PM PDT by sasportas
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Amillennialism identifies the present church age with the predicted millennial kingdom on earth.

Uhhh, no.

Walvoord is importing a dispensational conception of what the millennium is, into his understanding of a different system.

6 posted on 10/26/2014 3:33:05 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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That was a great post.

Thank you

God’s love for His Son, and His plan for the Church and His Son is the sweetest love story ever told. Christ loved the Church and died for her, is perfecting her now, and will bring her to Himself to reign with Him.

What's really fantastic is how God interrupted His plan for His people, the Jews, in order to reach out to the Gentiles and draw out saints from them. We did nothing to deserve this Grace and in order for us to receive it His Son willingly sacrificed Himself. On top of this, God will return His attention to His people the Jews when the "fullness of the Gentiles is brought in".

We don't recognize how great His mercy is.

7 posted on 10/26/2014 3:34:04 PM PDT by wmfights
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I realize this is short and probably will get no notice what so ever but here it is.

John 14:19
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

If Jesus comes back and sets up an earthly Kingdom the world would see him unless the world is taken from the earth first and I have seen no evidence of that, back to the drawing board?


8 posted on 10/26/2014 3:51:03 PM PDT by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 14:19 Is a great verse that I'm sure the Apostles did not fully understand until His resurrection. They only knew Him in the flesh prior to His resurrection, but after they saw him in His glorified body.

If Jesus comes back and sets up an earthly Kingdom the world would see him unless the world is taken from the earth first and I have seen no evidence of that, back to the drawing board?

The world will see Jesus when He returns and sets up His Kingdom on Earth.

Rev. 19:11-16

He returns with us!

9 posted on 10/26/2014 4:09:17 PM PDT by wmfights
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The church is not God’s temporary girlfriend, a temporary arrangement, or “parenthesis,” till he can pick back up where he left off with his true love, Judaism.

We have different perspectives. I see God having so much love and mercy He reaches out and saves people not even associated with His plan for Israel. I have no doubt God is not done with Israel for 2 reasons; one, God does not make false promises and two, Scriptures says He isn't done.

Rom. 9:25-27

10 posted on 10/26/2014 4:16:36 PM PDT by wmfights
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Walvoord is importing a dispensational conception of what the millennium is, into his understanding of a different system.

No fan of Walvoord, but his description of Amill sounds pretty accurate to me. Every Amill I know tells me the first resurrection of Rev. 20 took place some 2000 years ago, putting us in the millennial ever since. Not to mention the placing of the beheading of the martyrs of the tribulation who did not take the mark of the beast, having also taken place some 2000 years ago, the devil bound, and so on. (Rev. 20)

But you say they are wrong? How so? how would you describe Amill?


11 posted on 10/26/2014 4:23:27 PM PDT by sasportas
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The world will see Jesus when He returns and sets up His Kingdom on Earth. >>>>>

Jesus said he won`t and you say he will, OK maybe he is wrong and you are right.

He returns with us!>>>>

Are you positive about that?


12 posted on 10/26/2014 4:35:51 PM PDT by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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As a Historic Premill, I agree with some of your “perspective,” some I do not,

God grafts end time believing Jews into the one olive tree of Rom. 11. So, yes, God is not done with Israel, and he will fulfill that promise to them.

There being only one elect people of God of all ages, the “ecclesia,” is where we differ. You see two elect peoples of God, God has two wives, rather one wife (Judaism) and one girlfriend (the church), I see only one olive tree, and one wife.


13 posted on 10/26/2014 4:42:47 PM PDT by sasportas
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The church is not God’s temporary girlfriend, a temporary arrangement, or “parenthesis,” till he can pick back up where he left off with his true love, Judaism. The church God predestined from the foundation of the earth, Eph. 1:4. God’s plan “A,” He has no plan “B.”

You should then have no problem showing us the church in the OT...

14 posted on 10/26/2014 5:02:23 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ravenwolf
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

If Jesus comes back and sets up an earthly Kingdom the world would see him unless the world is taken from the earth first and I have seen no evidence of that, back to the drawing board?

The verse doesn't say the world will never see Jesus again...

Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jesus says his kingdom is not NOW from here...The inference is some day it will be...And at THAT time his servants WILL fight, or at least accompany Him, when he does fight...

The book of Revelation tells us that when the Bride marries the Groom, THEN will Jesus return to earth to FIGHT and then set up his Kingdom, on earth...

15 posted on 10/26/2014 5:11:54 PM PDT by Iscool
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I'm sure you are familiar with the long list of the faithful in Heb. 11. Verse 40 has them made perfect (KJV) or complete in "us." Not two peoples of God there, one elect people of God throughout both testaments.

First point. It is well known the book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Septuagint. Next point, the Septuagint uses the word "ecclesia" for the assembly of Israel.

The upshot of which, to the author of Hebrews, the faithful of the OT and the faithful of the NT are the "ecclesia," the elect people of God of both testaments. The latter fulfilling, or completing, what the former had only in types and shadows.

Heb. 11:39, 40

And these all, having obtained a good report THROUGH FAITH, received not the promise.

God having provided some better thing for US, that THEY without US should not be made PERFECT.

16 posted on 10/26/2014 5:30:28 PM PDT by sasportas
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The verse doesn’t say the world will never see Jesus again...>>>>>>

You are tight, it does not say again, it says no more, is there a difference?

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

As for the rest:
One issue at a time please.


17 posted on 10/26/2014 5:32:01 PM PDT by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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I'm sure you are familiar with the long list of the faithful in Heb. 11. Verse 40 has them made perfect (KJV) or complete in "us." Not two peoples of God there, one elect people of God throughout both testaments.

We call those listed in Heb. 11. the superstars of the Bible.

They died prior to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. They didn't know Jesus Christ. They didn't know of Jesus Christ. They did have faith in God. Let me ask where do you believe they went after they died?

18 posted on 10/26/2014 7:28:49 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: ravenwolf
The verse doesn’t say the world will never see Jesus again...>>>>>>

You are tight, it does not say again, it says no more, is there a difference?

If you don't believe the world will ever see Jesus again based on your understanding of that verse:

Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

then you can't believe in the 2nd Coming of Jesus...

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

So if that verse is your justification for Jesus not coming back to reign on earth for a thousand years, your understanding doesn't hold any water...One has to look at ALL the scripture...

19 posted on 10/27/2014 6:08:20 AM PDT by Iscool
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I'm sure you are familiar with the long list of the faithful in Heb. 11. Verse 40 has them made perfect (KJV) or complete in "us." Not two peoples of God there, one elect people of God throughout both testaments.

You must have a different bible than I do...Verse 40 in my bible says no such thing...

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

In fact, my bible says that even tho they all received a good report, they failed to receive the promise...

And what was the promise??? The promise was a piece of land...With a King...

Yet God in verse 40 tells the reader of Hebrews that He has provided something better than the promise of those OT Jews...

And as you can see in the scripture in my bible, contrary to what you post (Verse 40 has them made perfect (KJV) or complete in "us.") they are NOT made perfect in us...

20 posted on 10/27/2014 6:18:44 AM PDT by Iscool
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