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Pope Francis Walks the Talk: Vatican Signals on Gays and Remarriage Are a Hopeful Beginning
The New York Times ^ | October 17, 2014 | The Editorial Board

Posted on 10/17/2014 8:39:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A half-century after the historic changes of the Second Vatican Council, Pope Francis is showing his intent to drive a comparably ambitious agenda for the Roman Catholic Church in the 21st century.

The current synod of bishops in Rome, called by Francis to encourage reform and modernization, set a ringing tone of compassion this week with an opening call for a more welcoming attitude toward gay people, unmarried couples, divorced Catholics who remarry, and children in these unions.

The bishops’ report on their first week of private discussions did not immediately change church doctrine. But it signaled the pope’s determination to have the church look anew at the realities of the modern world, including what the bishops were moved to call the “positive aspects of civil unions and cohabitation” — a formulation unthinkable in an era when the church denounced such Catholics as “living in sin.”

The synod’s summary language about gays and lesbians was even more remarkable....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholics; divorce; homosexualagenda; polygamy; popefrancis; romancatholicism
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Of course they're loving it.
1 posted on 10/17/2014 8:39:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

3/4’s of NY Times editorial board are homosexual.

Homosexuals cluster.


2 posted on 10/17/2014 8:42:36 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NY Times new tag line...
Divide and Conquer


3 posted on 10/17/2014 8:43:15 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Walks what talk? I thought he said homosexuality was intrinsically disordered.


4 posted on 10/17/2014 8:44:26 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The first 18 months of his papacy can be summed up as giving consolation to the Church's enemies, relentlessly attacking faithful Catholics and spreading discord and confusion on a grand scale.

A truly wretched papacy which is both a chastisement and a purification for the Church.

5 posted on 10/17/2014 8:46:12 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Well said. Simply a bad Pope. A very bad Pope. Better he was never elected and Benedict never stepped down.


6 posted on 10/17/2014 8:49:04 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
NY Times are idiots.

There's 'talking the talk', and there's 'walking the walk'. There's no such thing as 'walking the talk'.

Illiterate Americans don't even understand classic idioms anymore.

7 posted on 10/17/2014 8:49:31 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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When the NYT praises you, you know you are doing something wrong...


8 posted on 10/17/2014 8:49:59 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Cardinal Burke: Pope is harming the Church by not making his position clear.

BREAKING: Pope Harming The Church

Conservative Cardinal Who Clashed With Pope Francis Confirms He Has Been Ousted

9 posted on 10/17/2014 8:50:26 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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Worst Pope since John XXIII, who took a World wide Church with 75% to 80% Weekly Mass participation and single hand-idly brought it to a Church with less than 30% weekly participation. Francis is trying for 10% or less!
10 posted on 10/17/2014 8:51:46 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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Papal PlaceMark


11 posted on 10/17/2014 8:52:10 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Hostage

OMG! How in the world did that happen, since they’re 1.6% of the population? Obviously, it was intentional. The question is, who’s intention?


12 posted on 10/17/2014 8:52:35 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: marshmallow
yes....I'm thinking like you....not a spiritual leader, just a figurehead who wants his name in the funny papers....

listen to me.....I'm not a very obedient Catholic...

13 posted on 10/17/2014 8:53:51 PM PDT by cherry
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From what I have seen thus far, it looks like this Pope has been removing and sidelining conservative clerics in leadership and consolidating power to the very liberal.

He has done it very smoothly managing the moves so that there is not large uproar.

14 posted on 10/17/2014 8:55:02 PM PDT by Moorings
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Isn’t he the “last Pope” according to some prophecies and seers?


15 posted on 10/17/2014 8:56:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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I have no idea.


16 posted on 10/17/2014 8:58:52 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: marshmallow

I can understand the Church saying they need to be welcoming to homosexuals (albeit, chastising), but “valuing their sexual orientation”? I know that’s not the Pope’s words, but that’s like saying acceptance of their immoral behavior.


17 posted on 10/17/2014 8:59:04 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh tee hee. NYT clueless about the Church. Dogma develops, but never reverses itself nor contradicts itself. Church of Christ don’t ya know.


18 posted on 10/17/2014 9:00:58 PM PDT by amihow
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They cluster.

There were several NY articles written during the 1990s and 2000s of how the homosexuals would find themselves at outfits like the NY Times. As they were in the closet they were adept at keeping undercover and keeping secrets.

As one by one ascended within the organization they eventually took over and hired mostly homosexuals.

People from India do the same thing in medical residency hospitals. And there are other example how certain groups flock together and keep everything to themselves.


19 posted on 10/17/2014 9:10:03 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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I’m not ready to ascribe ill motive to Pope Francis, just short sightedness.
It is no secret that there is huge concern among the Cardinals about the atrophying Church. Wehrl is all about The New Evangilization, constantly. It’s about reaching fallen away Catholics. It’s about meeting them where they are; divorced/remarried, gay, whatever - just get them back in the pews. I think Francis is this way too.
It’s wrong. It makes mercy into a poison. It’s bureaucratic arrogance.
The New Evangilization is same as the Old - just teach the Faith Cardinals!


20 posted on 10/17/2014 9:11:42 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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