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Synod Day 10 – A Ton of Vaseline
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/16/14 | Robert Royal

Posted on 10/16/2014 6:02:47 AM PDT by marshmallow

After Wednesday’s press briefing, a noted student of the Vatican, whose identity should probably not be revealed, turned and said to me, “Roberto, I don’t know what you say in English, but here we say that we just had a ton of Vaseline dumped on our heads.”

Slippery, viscous, uniform, and bland – hard to get a grip on since there’s no real substance. Anyone with the slightest imagination can easily elaborate further exactly what he meant.

And come to think of it, maybe I should just say the line was Sandro Magister’s. It’s too good not to give him the credit. If there’s any push back, he’s taken much worse in his many years of service to the Church.

In truth, there’s been no better insight into where we are, now that the Synod has had its flips – and flops. At the latest briefing, Archbishops Fisichella of Italy and Kurtz of America were joined by Cardinal Martinez Sistach of Spain. They are all decent men and earnestly made the case, again and again, that no doctrine was changing. That all that’s being discussed is a new pastoral outreach intended to meet and welcome people “where they are.” Indeed, Archbishop Kurtz said, in the small discussion groups, there has even been an effort to understand what it would mean to be “welcoming” and “positive,” not as the world understands such matters, but in fidelity to Catholic teaching.

They were all quite plausible in this general presentation, but it was hard not to notice that the veteran journalists in the room were far from convinced. And rightly so. Those of a more conservative cast remained wary because of the initial direction the now-much-qualified document took. Those of more liberal bent clearly felt that something they initially applauded now seems to....

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A reliable source told me Pope Francis was sent the text last Saturday morning, returned it to the Synod leaders Sunday, all before it appeared Monday. So as has long been the case, we do not know his thoughts other than he didn’t interfere in the release.

I disagree. If he saw the relatio and gave it the green light, we do know his thoughts. He had no problem with the statement that we are to "value the sexual orientation" of homosexuals.

This is the elephant in the room; we have a very lavender-friendly pope. The "who am I to judge" quote starts to make a lot more sense now.

1 posted on 10/16/2014 6:02:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Tossed by waves yet not submerged

Our incomparable Saint John Chrysostom spoke to us at Matins this morning. To listen to the Fathers is to begin to see things from the right perspective. It is not by reading the latest sensationalistic news reports on the Synod being in held in Rome, nor by following the embattled arguments of those deep in the fray, that one comes to see things rightly; it is, rather, by abiding still in the heart of the Church, by being faithful to the daily round of Psalmody — for all is already clear in the Psalms — and by listening to the voice of the Fathers. Saint Benedict says it well in the final chapter of the Holy Rule:

For him who would hasten to the perfection of religion, there are the teachings of the holy Fathers, the following whereof bringeth a man to the height of perfection. For what page or what word is there in the divinely inspired books of the Old and New Testaments, that is not a most unerring rule for human life? Or what book of the holy Catholic Fathers doth not loudly proclaim how we may by a straight course reach our Creator?

From a Homily by St John Chrysostom, Bishop & Doctor
(Homily 2 on Eutropius)

Abide with the Church, and the Church does not hand you over to the enemy: but if you fly from the Church, the Church is not the cause of your capture. For if you are inside the fold the wolf does not enter: but if you go outside, you are liable to be the wild beast’s prey: yet this is not the fault of the fold, but of your own pusillanimity. The Church has no feet. Talk not to me of walls and arms: for walls wax old with time, but the Church has no old age. Walls are shattered by barbarians, but over the Church even demons do not prevail. And that my words are no mere vaunt there is the evidence of facts. How many have assailed the Church, and yet the assailants have perished while the Church herself has soared beyond the sky? Such might has the Church: when she is assailed she conquers: when snares are laid for her she prevails: when she is insulted her prosperity increases: she is wounded yet sinks not under her wounds; tossed by waves yet not submerged; vexed by storms yet suffers no shipwreck; she wrestles and is not worsted, fights but is not vanquished. Wherefore then did she suffer this war to be? That she might make more manifest the splendour of her triumph.

I saw the swords and I meditated on Heaven; I expected death, and I bethought me of the resurrection; I beheld the sufferings of this lower world, and I took account of the heavenly prizes; I observed the devices of the enemy, and I meditated on the heavenly crown: for the occasion of the contest was sufficient for encouragement and consolation. True! I was being forcibly dragged away, but I suffered no insult from the act; for there is only one real insult, namely sin: and should the whole world insult you, yet if you do not insult yourself you are not insulted. The only real betrayal is the betrayal of the conscience: betray not your own conscience, and no one can betray you.

http://vultus.stblogs.org/index.php/2014/10/tossed-by-waves-yet-not-submerged


2 posted on 10/16/2014 6:12:28 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: marshmallow

Bend over — here comes a ton of vaseline?


3 posted on 10/16/2014 6:19:58 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Now is not the time for fear. That comes later.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
Bend over — here comes a ton of vaseline?

Given the subject matter, the author's choice of word pictures could have been better!

4 posted on 10/16/2014 6:29:54 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: marshmallow
Yes, it's undoubtedly true that a pair of homosexuals can provide loving support for each other. However, that support is poisoned by their sinful actions. Supporting a friend is one thing; engaging in sinful actions with that friend (of either sex, for that matter), must be condemned in plain language.
5 posted on 10/16/2014 7:57:25 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Available from Amazon.)
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To: SumProVita

http://jimmyakin.com/2014/10/good-news-from-the-synod-of-bishops-12-things-to-know-and-share.html

The last couple of days have brought some good news from the current synod of bishops on the family.

Where things are going is still far from certain and there is still reason for concern, but there have been a number of welcoming signs.

Here are 12 things to know and share . . .

1) If you had to boil it down, what’s the single most important piece of good news?

That there has been widespread pushback among the synod fathers against the document issued Monday, called the relatio post disceptationem.

2) What is a relatio post disceptationem?

The phrase means “the report after discussion” or “the report after debate.”

Basically, it’s meant to be a document summarizing the themes that emerged in the first part of the synod.

Its purpose is to serve as a basis for further discussion in the second half of the synod.

At this point, various groups of the synod fathers—based on their primary languages—are discussing it and are due to propose modifications.

These modifications are meant to be voted on and to go into a second version of the document, which will serve as a basis for discussion during the next year, leading up to the October 2015 synod, which is also on the topic of the family.

3) Why is it a sign of hope that this document is receiving pushback?

Because the document has a lot wrong with it.

Before we look at substantive problems with the document, allow me to make a point that pertains to the English-language translation of the document that was released by the Vatican Information Service: It stinks.

The English translation (flagged as “unofficial”) reads as if it was translated by a native Italian-speaker and then not checked by a native English-speaker.

It contains typos and grammatical mistakes, it uses words that either do not exist in English or that are not used in that way in English (what the heck is “the pastoral of the family” or “today’s pastoral” in this context?), and it contains translations that may be misleading.

More on the translation’s problems here.

This, however, is a criticism of only the English version of the document and does not deal with what’s substantively wrong with the document?

4) What’s substantively wrong with the document?

Among other things:

It’s written in turgid ecclesiastical bafflegab.
It is written in a one-sided way that deliberately favors a particular point of view.
It contains elements that are difficult to square with Church teaching.

It also has been subject to various other criticisms.

5) What’s an example of the bafflegab?

From section 10:

Today’s world appears to promote limitless affectivity, seeking to explore all its aspects, including the most complex. Indeed, the question of emotional fragility is very current: a narcissistic, unstable or changeable affectivity do [sic] not always help greater maturity to be reached.

I won’t go into everything that’s wrong with the way this is phrased, but to illustrate the problem, consider the statement that “a narcissistic, unstable or changeable affectivity [i.e., emotionalism] do [sic] not always help greater maturity to be reached.”

Does a narcissistic, unstable, or changeable emotionalism generally help people reach greater maturity?

6) What’s an example of it being written in a one-sided way?

One of the issues under discussion at the synod is the question of whether those who have divorced and then contracted a civil marriage and who are having sex with their present, civil partner should be allowed to receive absolution and Holy Communion.

Here is what section 48 says on that subject. I have highlighted the words devoted to the “no” position in blue and the words devoted to the “yes” position in red:

48. As regards the possibility of partaking of the sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist, some argued in favor of the present regulations because of their theological foundation, others were in favor of a greater opening on very precise conditions when dealing with situations that cannot be resolved without creating new injustices and suffering. For some, partaking of the sacraments might occur were it preceded by a penitential path – under the responsibility of the diocesan bishop –, and with a clear undertaking in favor of the children. This would not be a general possibility, but the fruit of a discernment applied on a case-by-case basis, according to a law of gradualness, that takes into consideration the distinction between state of sin, state of grace and the attenuating circumstances.

Does that look one-sided to you? By my count, the “no” position gets 13 words and the “yes” position gets 100.

This lopsidedness, unfortunately, is not confined to this passage in the document.

7) What’s are examples of elements that are difficult to square with Church teaching?

Here are two passages from the document’s treatment of homosexuality:

50. Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?

52. Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners.

The reference to “valuing” the homosexual orientation may be an artifact of the poor English translation.

It has been suggested that, based on the Italian original, the intent might have been to ask whether churches can provide those with same-sex attraction a home, accepting and weighing or considering their sexual orientation “without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony.”

More on that here.

But what is the purpose of saying that “there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the [same-sex] partners”?

Can’t examples be found in which there is “mutual aid to the point of sacrifice” between any two types of people, even if their mutual activities are contrary to divine law?

Can’t two adulterers offer mutual aid to the point of sacrifice? Can’t two thieves? Or any two people engaged in acts that, by their nature, are disordered?

Should the Church be celebrating such mutual aid as “a precious support” in their lives and gloss over the fundamentally disordered nature of what they are doing together?

Msgr. Bruno Forte, who wrote this section of the document, might claim that he is not proposing that the Church change its teaching on the intrinsically disordered nature of homosexual acts, but it appears that he is proposing such a radical change in emphasis that the Church’s teaching would be obscured in practice.

Fortunately, there are signs of hope in the response that the relatio received.

8) What was the first sign of hope?

The first major one was that the very next morning the General Secretariat of the Synod rushed out an urgent clarification, recognizing that there had been a major misstep and the document was being widely misreported in the world press.

They wrote:

The General Secretariat of the Synod, in response to reactions and discussions following the publication of the Relatio post disceptationem, and the fact that often a value has been attributed to the document that does not correspond to its nature, reiterates that it is a working document, which summarises the interventions and debate of the first week, and is now being offered for discussion by the members of the Synod gathered in the Small Groups, in accordance with the Regulations of the Synod.

In other words, the document does nothing to change Church teaching. Don’t report it that way.

9) What was the next major sign of hope?

The same day, the Vatican Information Service issued a report on various criticisms that different, unnamed synod fathers had made of the document.

You can read it here.

Without going through the criticisms verbatim, some of them were:

The document needs to talk more about those families who remain faithful to the teachings of the Gospel, thanking them and encouraging them for the witness they offer.
It needs to stress that indissoluble, happy marriage, faithful forever, is beautiful, possible and present in society, therefore avoiding the document’s near-exclusive focus on imperfect family situations.
It is necessary to clarify and explore more deeply the theme of “gradualness,” which may give rise to confusion.
With regard to access to the sacraments for divorced and remarried persons, for instance, it was said that it is difficult to make exceptions without those “exceptions” becoming the common rule in practice.
The word “sin” is almost absent from the relatio. The document needs to reflect prophetic the tone of Jesus’ words, to avoid the risk of conformity to the mentality of today’s world.
Homosexuals and heterosexuals who are cohabiting should be welcomed in a way that does not give the impression that the Church has a positive evaluation of what they are doing.

10) What did individual synod fathers have to say?

Quoting from press accounts of those who have spoken publicly under their own names:

Cardinal Raymond Burke: “There’s a confusion with the regard to the question of people who are living in de-facto unions, or people who are attracted to the same sex are living together, and an inadequate explanation of the relationship of the church to the person,” he said. “I certainly hope that this document will be set aside completely, and there will be an effort made to present the church’s true teaching and pastoral practice, the two of which always go together in a new document.” (source) (more)
Cardinal Gerhard Muller: “Undignified, shameful” and “completely wrong.” This was the terse assessment of Cardinal Gerhard Muller, the head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, about the Synod on the Family’s so-called “relatio.” (source)
Cardinal Wilfred Napier: [M]edia reaction to the document — some of which called the report a “stunning” change in the Church’s approach to homosexuals — has caused “such an upset among the synod fathers.” He added: “We’re now working from a position that’s virtually irredeemable.” “The message has gone out that this is what the synod is saying, this is what the Catholic Church is saying, and it’s not what we’re saying at all,” Cardinal Napier said. “No matter how we try correcting that, and this is my experience with the media, once it’s out there in the public, there’s no way of retrieving it.” “Just like you, I was surprised that it was published,” he told reporters. “You people got the document before we got it, so we couldn’t have possibly agreed on it.” (source)
Cardinal George Pell: [T]he document was an “incomplete resumé” of what the Synod Fathers had said it needed to be “enhanced and corrected”. He added that after the relatio had been presented three-quarters of the participants in the synod hall who had made interventions had voiced problems with the text. “The question of Communion for divorced and remarried is only the tip of the iceberg,” he told The Tablet. “In seeking to be merciful, some want to open up Catholic teaching on marriage, divorce, civil unions, homosexuality in a radically liberalising direction, whose fruits we see in other Christian traditions,” he said. He added it was “strange that there was so little in the document on scriptural teaching and magisterial teaching on marriage, sexuality, family.” “The task now is to reassure good practising Catholics that doctrinal changes are not possible; to urge people to take a deep breath, pause and to work to prevent deeper divisions and radicalising of factions.” (source)
Archbishop Stanislaw Gadecki: “(It is written) as if the world’s view prevailed and everything was imperfection which leads to perfection,” commented the president of the Polish bishops’ conference. “(In a discussion on the document) attention was paid not so much to what this document says, but to what it does not say. Speak about the practical exceptions, but we also need to present the truth.” The Polish bishops said the relentless focus on mercy is also problematic. “It created an impression that the teaching of the Church has been merciless so far, as if the teaching of mercy were beginning only now” (source)

11) Do these signs of hope mean that everything is okay and we can all just relax?

Heck, no!

(Though take what you read at the link with a grain of salt and be alert for spin.)

12) What can we do?

During the synod? Pray.

After the synod? Study the results of the synod, pray, and then contact your bishop and—respectfully—let him know your views so that the Church’s pastors can be informed of the sense of the faithful (cf. canon 212).


6 posted on 10/16/2014 8:23:38 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: JoeFromSidney

Indeed, Christians are commanded to not engage in acts that tempt others to sin. A homosexual relationship would be in constant, flagrant violation of that.


7 posted on 10/16/2014 9:59:34 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: NKP_Vet

Well done. Thank you.

Let us pray and TRUST GOD! ;-)


8 posted on 10/16/2014 10:14:19 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NKP_Vet

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9 posted on 10/16/2014 3:42:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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