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Conservative Bishops Move Away From Gay Overture
Associated Press ^ | October 15, 2014 | Nicole Winfield

Posted on 10/15/2014 4:13:51 AM PDT by Biggirl

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- A fight for the soul of the Catholic Church has broken out, and the first battlefield is a document on family values that pits increasingly alarmed conservatives against more progressive bishops emboldened by Pope Francis' vision of a church that is more merciful than moralistic.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; gay; vatican
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1 posted on 10/15/2014 4:13:51 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Progressive view: “vision of a church that is more merciful than moralistic.”

There you have it, by extention, “progressives” on the fag issue are immoral.

FWIW, through confession, and repentence, Catholics have an avenue to get right with Church values so in that vein, the Church, and the faith itself, is merciful IMO.


2 posted on 10/15/2014 4:22:02 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Biggirl

This pope is not Catholic and is quite possibly a faggot to boot.


3 posted on 10/15/2014 4:25:36 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Biggirl

Beware of AP propaganda.

The Great Catholic Cave-In that Wasn’t: The synod of bishops has NOT thrown out Church teaching

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3214983/posts

Six things you need to know about the Synod of Bishops’ interim report

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3215075/posts


4 posted on 10/15/2014 4:26:36 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Biggirl

Will it all come down to money?


5 posted on 10/15/2014 4:37:05 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (The F.B.I. Is a dept. of holders Justice Dept. (Nuff said))
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To: Biggirl

liberalism threatens the Church’s existence.


6 posted on 10/15/2014 4:39:24 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Biggirl

The AP? Really? (shaking head).


7 posted on 10/15/2014 4:40:00 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: lowbridge

It’s unbelievable how this is being misrepresented. Really disgusting.


8 posted on 10/15/2014 4:40:44 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: Biggirl
Um Nicole, your anti-Catholic underwear is showing.

News Flash Nicole ... Jesus was "Moralistic". Speaking the Truth, with charity, is in fact merciful. It would be worse, actually cruel and merciless, if the Church didn't speak the Truth. That would mean it had no care or concern for your eternal soul at all. It does, and that is why teaching Christ's moral truths is in fact merciful.

9 posted on 10/15/2014 4:41:01 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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“alarmed conservatives against more progressive bishops emboldened by Pope Francis’ vision”

This is not a battle between “progressives” and “conservatives”. The MSM wants to portray Christianity and Catholicism as just a political process where one has the option of choosing his views and political maneuvering decides what the faithful should believe.

This is struggle between good and evil. It is a struggle between those who want to uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ and 2000 years of rich and holy tradition and those who wish to discard it all in order to be politically correct and appease the homosexual activists.

The job of the hierarchy is not to try to gain the approval of homosexuals. It is to provide leadership, guidance and spiritual comfort to the Catholic families whose contributions keep the church going.

It is not to promote and protect a network of homosexual priests and force the faithful to pay for their lawsuits and their decadent lifestyle.

Jesus suffered and died for us. He sacrificed his life for us. I can't imagine any of these politically correct dissemblers ever sacrificing anything for the Catholic faithful who provide them with their wealth and their power.

10 posted on 10/15/2014 4:42:22 AM PDT by detective
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He wrote: “In the coming weeks, the Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family…At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.”

Cardinal Bergoglio continued: “Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

11 posted on 10/15/2014 4:44:22 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Biggirl

How could we have gone from Benedict to this dude


12 posted on 10/15/2014 4:47:09 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Biggirl

It looks to me that church may be heading toward a split. With a leftist pope calling for a “nonjudgmental” approach toward homosexuality and the synod resulting in a “welcoming” attitude toward them, I can’t imagine the conservative side of the church sitting still without giving pushback.


13 posted on 10/15/2014 4:51:39 AM PDT by ScottinVA (We either destroy ISIS there... or fight them here. Pick one, America.)
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To: Biggirl
St Augustine - "Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum"

We don't hate the sinner, but the sin needs to be addressed and the behavior changed.

All are made in His image.
14 posted on 10/15/2014 4:54:44 AM PDT by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: lowbridge

Apart from where you stand on the issue of “doctrinal shift” or “working paper” there is something that MUST be acknowledged; that interim report WAS released.
I agree with Weigel that we need to stop hyperventaling about this, that the Church is not making a revolutionary move, however, there is some element in the Vatican; press office, Curia, whatever, that is recklessly out of control. Simply as a management issue, this needs to be brought under control immediately before further scandal is given.


15 posted on 10/15/2014 5:01:59 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: yldstrk

“How could we have gone from Benedict to this dude?”

I think that same thing all the time. It no longer feels as simple as an old guy retires and a new guy is selected. Something else is at play, but we’ll never know the truth.


16 posted on 10/15/2014 5:05:48 AM PDT by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

-— I agree with Weigel that we need to stop hyperventaling about this, that the Church is not making a revolutionary move, however, there is some element in the Vatican; press office, Curia, whatever, that is recklessly out of control. -—

That’s where I am right now.


17 posted on 10/15/2014 5:06:47 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: defconw

That is the source service.


18 posted on 10/15/2014 5:09:11 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Failing to be moralistic is about the most unmerciful thing the Church could do.


19 posted on 10/15/2014 5:10:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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"however, there is some element in the Vatican; press office, Curia, whatever, that is recklessly out of control."

Unfortunately this "element" has the complete backing of the Pope.

20 posted on 10/15/2014 5:11:26 AM PDT by circlecity
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