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To: Wonder Warthog; narses
Then why does the New Testament exist, if the OT is such a great and easily understood source?

  1. John 20:31
    But these are written so that you may come to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through believing you may have life in his name.
  2. It fits with Jesus's [and therefore God's] own MO (and shows The Author's masterful use of foreshadowing); John 16:25
    “I have said these things to you in figures of speech. The hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures, but will tell you plainly of the Father.
  3. It is not necessarily easily understood; remember Philip and the Ethiopian? (Acts 8:26-40)
  4. Galatians 3:24 — So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

I note that the Jews got it wrong right up to and past Jesus' crucifixion, INCLUDING most the Apostles (Emaus road narrative).

Indeed, this is true.
But let's ask this: does their getting it wrong invalidate their salvation? or is Jesus greater than our misconceptions and falsely held beliefs?

The simple fact is that both Jesus and the Apostles taught MOSTLY by the spoken and NOT the written word (Paul and John being notable exceptions). And they both taught from Jewish oral tradition, as well. So the existence of Christian tradition is a perfectly valid continuation.

I don't think anyone is saying that there are no traditions; but the sola scriptura proponents [of which I am a member] claim that all that is essential is already covered in the scripture — moreover, the role of the Holy Spirit (his work and purpose) fits nicely with this idea... for our God is not dead, but lives and works in the world even now.

The whole idea of "sola scriptura" is simply ridiculous on its face.

I disagree; as someone upthread mentioned: Jesus used scripture as his reply to Satan.
He would certainly be in the right to reply on his own authority [being the Creator] but he did not — instead he quoted/cited scripture.
Does this not imply we ought to have greatest respect for the scripture?

We have God's WORD all around us (the physical universe) all the time, written in His Own Language and by His Own Hand, a few words and sentences of which we are beginning to understand.

His own language? I don't believe that for a second: from nearly the beginning of its inception the New Testament was translated into other languages, and on Pentecost men heard "in their own language" not were suddenly able to understand Hebrew. (And prior to this the Old Testament had been translated into at least Greek.)

58 posted on 09/13/2014 4:40:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"I don't think anyone is saying that there are no traditions; but the sola scriptura proponents [of which I am a member] claim that all that is essential is already covered in the scripture — moreover, the role of the Holy Spirit (his work and purpose) fits nicely with this idea... for our God is not dead, but lives and works in the world even now.

Since Jesus himself taught from Hebrew tradition as well as Old Testament scripture, Jesus by his own actions demonstrated that "sola scriptura" was wrong. If "all that was essential" was in scripture, then he wouldn't have used Hebrew tradition, now would he.

"I disagree; as someone upthread mentioned: Jesus used scripture as his reply to Satan. He would certainly be in the right to reply on his own authority [being the Creator] but he did not — instead he quoted/cited scripture. Does this not imply we ought to have greatest respect for the scripture?

See above point.....Jesus himself taught both from Scripture AND Tradition. The fact that he quoted Scripture to Satan doesn't prove (or even address) the point.

"His own language? I don't believe that for a second: from nearly the beginning of its inception the New Testament was translated into other languages, and on Pentecost men heard "in their own language" not were suddenly able to understand Hebrew. (And prior to this the Old Testament had been translated into at least Greek.)

You miss the point. Your comments relate to HUMAN languages. God speaks physics (or perhaps mathematics), and his WORD became the universe within which we live. Thus, we have TWO sources of "God's Word" at a minimum.....the Bible and the Universe. Hence "sola scriptura" is ridiculous on its face.

85 posted on 09/14/2014 7:10:47 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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