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To: OneWingedShark
"I don't think anyone is saying that there are no traditions; but the sola scriptura proponents [of which I am a member] claim that all that is essential is already covered in the scripture — moreover, the role of the Holy Spirit (his work and purpose) fits nicely with this idea... for our God is not dead, but lives and works in the world even now.

Since Jesus himself taught from Hebrew tradition as well as Old Testament scripture, Jesus by his own actions demonstrated that "sola scriptura" was wrong. If "all that was essential" was in scripture, then he wouldn't have used Hebrew tradition, now would he.

"I disagree; as someone upthread mentioned: Jesus used scripture as his reply to Satan. He would certainly be in the right to reply on his own authority [being the Creator] but he did not — instead he quoted/cited scripture. Does this not imply we ought to have greatest respect for the scripture?

See above point.....Jesus himself taught both from Scripture AND Tradition. The fact that he quoted Scripture to Satan doesn't prove (or even address) the point.

"His own language? I don't believe that for a second: from nearly the beginning of its inception the New Testament was translated into other languages, and on Pentecost men heard "in their own language" not were suddenly able to understand Hebrew. (And prior to this the Old Testament had been translated into at least Greek.)

You miss the point. Your comments relate to HUMAN languages. God speaks physics (or perhaps mathematics), and his WORD became the universe within which we live. Thus, we have TWO sources of "God's Word" at a minimum.....the Bible and the Universe. Hence "sola scriptura" is ridiculous on its face.

85 posted on 09/14/2014 7:10:47 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog
Thus, we have TWO sources of "God's Word" at a minimum.....the Bible and the Universe.

That was a medieval maxim: God wrote two books, the Bible and Creation.

86 posted on 09/14/2014 7:21:38 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"I don't think anyone is saying that there are no traditions; but the sola scriptura proponents [of which I am a member] claim that all that is essential is already covered in the scripture — moreover, the role of the Holy Spirit (his work and purpose) fits nicely with this idea... for our God is not dead, but lives and works in the world even now.
Since Jesus himself taught from Hebrew tradition as well as Old Testament scripture, Jesus by his own actions demonstrated that "sola scriptura" was wrong. If "all that was essential" was in scripture, then he wouldn't have used Hebrew tradition, now would he.

Being a part of a culture, you would naturally use cultural references — that Jesus did this with Hebrew culture does not mean that Hebrew culture is superior. (Indeed, he acted in severely and distinctly counter-cultural manners as well: talking with a Samaritan woman, not stoning an [accused] adulteress, hanging out with sinners and tax-collectors [i.e. the scum of the earth].)

"I disagree; as someone upthread mentioned: Jesus used scripture as his reply to Satan. He would certainly be in the right to reply on his own authority [being the Creator] but he did not — instead he quoted/cited scripture. Does this not imply we ought to have greatest respect for the scripture?
See above point.....Jesus himself taught both from Scripture AND Tradition. The fact that he quoted Scripture to Satan doesn't prove (or even address) the point.

I'm sorry; but nowhere do I see that tradition should be set on equal footing with scripture; nowhere does the Bible say that tradition can save, yet we are told to receive with meekness the implanted word that has the power to save your souls (James 1:21) — John does not say in the beginning was the tradition, and the tradition was with God, and the tradition was God […] and the tradition became flesh and lived among us; no, John says that of the word — that is why Jesus fulfills the Law, the Prophets, and the Scripture: He is the Word.

"His own language? I don't believe that for a second: from nearly the beginning of its inception the New Testament was translated into other languages, and on Pentecost men heard "in their own language" not were suddenly able to understand Hebrew. (And prior to this the Old Testament had been translated into at least Greek.)
You miss the point. Your comments relate to HUMAN languages. God speaks physics (or perhaps mathematics), and his WORD became the universe within which we live. Thus, we have TWO sources of "God's Word" at a minimum.....the Bible and the Universe. Hence "sola scriptura" is ridiculous on its face.

And see the above: the very fact that the word creates he universe undermines the assertion you make that tradition is on equal footing.

87 posted on 09/14/2014 7:28:51 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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