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As Moses Lifted Up The Serpent In The Wilderness
The Relevant Christian Magazine | 7/29/14 | Chuck Ness

Posted on 06/29/2014 7:59:20 AM PDT by OneVike

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To: Jack Hydrazine
"HaNachashim HaSaraphim."

In English that would be "Angels with Hot Nacho Sauce".

41 posted on 06/29/2014 9:34:03 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

That, I don’t know. But good question.


42 posted on 06/29/2014 9:36:18 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: Salvation
God doomed the serpent in the Garden to crawl on its belly and eat dirt.

So... the serpent was not a 'snake' to begin with, right ?

43 posted on 06/29/2014 9:36:21 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: RoosterRedux

A snake is a figure of evil in the bible. Yes I know people have perfectly tame pet snakes, and that’s not what is being talked about here.

The snakes were sent among the disobedient Hebrews, it looks to me, as an object lesson in the peril of inviting evil into one’s life and the need to deal with it. This problem will snowball unless and until taken care of. Evil has to be removed if permanent destruction is not to result.

The bible clues us in that “Jesus became sin” when He died upon the cross. That does not mean that Jesus did something He was not authorized to do. Rather, His spirit took our part and lifted our burden of sin, taking the wrath of God the Father upon that sin as He did so. And so our sin, lifted by Christ who had been incarnated as Jesus, was condemned on the cross.

And so the serpent lifted on the pole by Moses became a figure of the sacrifice which was to come. A serpent, because it represented evil being dealt with. A metal figure, rather than one of the actual serpents, because it was a substitute.

In a world filled with figures, care needs to be exercised since the devil can lay his falsehoods upon us about what the figures’ rightful use are. Later on, there was shameful worship of that same metal snake.


44 posted on 06/29/2014 9:38:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: UCANSEE2

There is some cultural commonality between dragons (which we know mythically) and snakes. This particular serpent “could” have been dragon like with capability of walking until God took away its legs. This could symbolize evil being doomed to defeat. It can slither but it is going to have trouble if it tries to walk. In fact it really needs to hijack other beings that CAN walk if it wants to go about by walking.


45 posted on 06/29/2014 9:43:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Salvation

An interesting follow up to that serpent ...

Revelation 12:

1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.

4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,

8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.

9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.

14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

The woman is Israel, the child is the Son of God, the fiery red dragon and serpent is Satan, the third of the stars are the third of the angels who defected with Satan, the place prepared for Israel is over in Jordan, the time period is the last 3-1/2 years of the 7-year Tribulation, starting at the midpoint when the Anti-Christ stands in the Temple in Jerusalem and declares himself to be God.

— — —

Revelation 20:1-6

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.


46 posted on 06/29/2014 9:45:09 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: OneVike

Great essay, Preacher. Thank you.

It clarifies many things about the Lamb of God and the
process of His Blood taking away the Sins of the World.


47 posted on 06/29/2014 10:13:20 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: 353FMG

I would say yes


48 posted on 06/29/2014 10:19:16 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes, thanks.


49 posted on 06/29/2014 10:23:39 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: UCANSEE2

No, a serpent yes, not a snake until after.


50 posted on 06/29/2014 10:24:32 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: TheOldLady

Thank you for more than just the compliment.


51 posted on 06/29/2014 10:25:39 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

Look sin in the face then? Look at the pain of sin in the face? Is it both?


52 posted on 06/29/2014 10:25:41 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: OneVike

You’re most welcome, my friend.


53 posted on 06/29/2014 10:29:01 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: 353FMG
. Is that also perhaps the reason that people (except for Catholics and Orthodox Christians) are embarrassed or repulsed to see a cross with a corpus on it?

They're not embarrassed or repulsed by it.

The objection is that Jesus work on the cross is done, finished. The cross is empty for a reason.

It's not Jesus dying that saved us, it's His death (past tense) that saves us.

Having the image of Jesus on the cross indicates that His work isn't finished and that is not the gospel.

54 posted on 06/29/2014 10:30:13 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation; UCANSEE2
God doomed the serpent in the Garden to crawl on its belly and eat dirt. Sure sounds a lot like a snake to me.

More like a serpent which was cursed to become a snake.

IOW, it was a serpent with legs before it was cursed.

55 posted on 06/29/2014 10:33:26 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: UCANSEE2
When people say that Christ became sin, they are referring to this verse of Scripture.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

56 posted on 06/29/2014 10:37:41 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: OneVike

Another part of the Bible that has to do with lifting up the Lord is the commandment of the Ten Commandments that is typically translated “thou shalt take the name of the Lord thy God in vain,” in Exodus 20. You might have heard this and just not included this but I’d like to mention it anyway. I’d never heard this until I was looking in the Bible for more passages on the idea of “not giving even an appearance of evil” (I can’t think where there is in the N.T., but that passage itself can be translated different ways too).

Anyway, that commandment actually means, more literally, “you shall not lift (nasa) up the name of the Lord your God in an unworthy manner,” meaning to bring shame on it by lying in His name, etc. And this commandment is the only to hold a negative consequence, “The Lord shall not hold him guiltless who does so,” so the Jews regarded it as like an unpardonable sin. The church hasn’t done well to teach that this is just about swearing.


57 posted on 06/29/2014 11:13:56 AM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: OneVike

Oops. Should have read “you shalt *not* take the name of the Lord thy God in vain”!


58 posted on 06/29/2014 11:25:11 AM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: metmom

Nope, the Image of Jesus on the cross reminds us what He did for us. An empty cross is merely an object used for torture.

Look around yourself, we are still suffering — in fact for many members of mankind, rich or poor, life can be almost unbearable.

My Church teaches me, and I believe it, that we are members in the Body of Christ. If the cross was good enough for Christ, it is certainly good enough for me. Many of my brothers and sisters experience deep distress in this life.

The Corpus reminds me that mankind hangs on that cross and I am a member of it.


59 posted on 06/29/2014 11:51:02 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: OneVike; UCANSEE2
No, a serpent yes, not a snake until after.

I don't think a 'snake' at all...

'crawl on his belly' ... Think Gollum.

'Eat dust' ... Men are made of dust...

When the Bible speaks of serpents and scorpions, I don't think it is talking about snakes and scorpions.

60 posted on 06/29/2014 12:40:47 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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