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“We Are Church” Movement Leader Is “Shocked” by Her Excommunication
http://www.patheos.com ^ | May 22, 2014 | Kathy Schiffer

Posted on 05/22/2014 12:03:30 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Martha Holzer, a senior leader in the dissident Catholic group We Are Church, is “shocked” that Pope Francis has taken the extraordinary step of excommunicating her and her husband Gert.

Pope Francis took this action after the pair “simulated the Mass”–that is, they regularly took part in “private Eucharistic celebrations” at her home with no priest present. The Church considers the simulation of the Mass a delictum gravius, or “grave delict”.

We Are Church, which has members in more than 20 countries, is notorious for its disregard for the priesthood–insisting, as they do, that all participate in the “priesthood of all believers” and that both men and women should be ordained to the ministerial priesthood.

Here in the United States, We Are Church’s member organizations are a Who’s Who of dissident groups including the American Catholic Council, Call To Action, Catholics Speak Out, Corpus, DignityUSA, FutureChurch, PaxChristi/Maine, the Women’s Ordination Conference, and others.

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1 posted on 05/22/2014 12:03:30 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

I read this over on Fr. Z’s cite. Pope Francis seems to be finding his way as Pope. His off the cuff remarks cause confusion, particularly when the MSM puts their spin on it. One thing I have seen constantly from him, he talks of satan still active in the world seducing humanity and he is solid on the Priestly ordination is not open for woman. This is the 2nd bomb on this question today that I have read, one American woman in Chicago I believe and now this one in Austria.


2 posted on 05/22/2014 12:06:34 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: NKP_Vet
the simulation of the Mass a delictum gravius, or “grave delict”.

In flagrante delicto gravius.

3 posted on 05/22/2014 12:06:55 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: NKP_Vet

“As often as you do this, do it in remembrance of Me.”

My wife and I take communion at home. It is open to all Christian believers and does not require a priest, pastor, or anybody else some church organization deems a “special” Christian.


4 posted on 05/22/2014 12:08:15 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: NKP_Vet

One can hardly blame Catholics for not wanting/needing/trusting priests. This couple will soon find that the Lord has in fact set them free to worship Him directly since He is our only high priest.


5 posted on 05/22/2014 12:09:33 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: NKP_Vet

Well done for the Pope, maybe he is not such a panzy as he seems to be. Now he just needs to excommunicate pro-abort Catholics.


6 posted on 05/22/2014 12:13:19 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

They don’t come from your angle of hatred against catholic priests. They want all to actually be catholic priests.


7 posted on 05/22/2014 12:17:55 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (You can't be passive and moral.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“He just needs to excommunicate pro-abort Catholics.”
He should start with the politicians and work his way down.I would pay good money to see Pelosi’s face when she got hers.


8 posted on 05/22/2014 12:18:39 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Now he just needs to excommunicate pro-abort Catholics.
Put (divorced) Cuomo, Pelosie and Harry Reid at the top of that list.
9 posted on 05/22/2014 12:18:52 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

Harry couldn’t care less,he’s a Mormon.


10 posted on 05/22/2014 12:20:00 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Dr. Thorne
This couple will soon find that the Lord has in fact set them free
BS. The "Lord" hasn't done a damned thing since creating the universe.
11 posted on 05/22/2014 12:21:37 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: NKP_Vet

One who persists in heresy ought not be “shocked” when the boom is lowered. Doesn’t happen often enough, though.


12 posted on 05/22/2014 12:22:04 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Farmer Dean

Excommunicate him from the human race then.


13 posted on 05/22/2014 12:22:54 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: NKP_Vet

these kooks only call themselves “Catholic” for the media attention. lady, start your own church, call yourself a “priestess,” dance around a liberty tree, and celebrate whatever “sacraments” you want


14 posted on 05/22/2014 12:23:17 PM PDT by ghost of stonewall jackson (An amateur built the Ark; professionals built the Titanic)
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To: cuban leaf
You are right.

However, this woman and her husband profess to be Catholics, and insist that they are Catholic, despite flouting the tenets and doctrines of the Church.

They are the ones demanding to be "special Catholics". You do not have to be Catholic to be a Christian, and if they were simply "Christian believers", there would be no problem with the Pope. If they also just had their "Masses" in private, at home, then odds are the Pope would never find out about it, and problem solved.

There's nothing wrong with "activating" for Church reforms according to your beliefs, but actions have consequences. Why do they want to be Catholic, when they feel the doctrines are wrong? Much easier to join another Church, or be your own Church - both viable options, surely! You just can't be your own Catholic Church...simple!

15 posted on 05/22/2014 12:25:52 PM PDT by 88keys (broken glass GOP; it matters, replace the Dems. 2014!!)
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To: oh8eleven
He's a miserable old man and his time on earth will soon end.Old age is the final arbiter,his real problems will begin after he passes.
16 posted on 05/22/2014 12:29:50 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: oh8eleven

Run that by us one more time?... Explain.


17 posted on 05/22/2014 12:30:49 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: oh8eleven

re: “BS. The “Lord” hasn’t done a damned thing since creating the universe.”

Deist?


18 posted on 05/22/2014 12:32:15 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: NKP_Vet

God bless Pope Francis.


19 posted on 05/22/2014 12:32:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NKP_Vet

There are Protestant churches that believe this. The honest thing would have been to go join one of those and quit misappropriating the Catholic label.


20 posted on 05/22/2014 12:32:52 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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