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To: cothrige
I will restrict myself to one paragraph which touches on the original issue, though perhaps only tangentially.

LOL, why not pick the MAIN paragraph, instead of a tangential one? Let's see, which paragraph could it be? Oh, look - how about THIS one:

That's why you parse, and parse - and parse. I said something very, very simple: that the Church determines whether something is doctrine or not, and that the Clergy has that determining role in the Church. This is so obviously, flat-out true, the only people who could possibly object to it ARE American liberals "Catholics." No one else would notice or care.

So you completely avoided my one, single main point, which I repeated numerous times, and then - you parsed, and parsed, and parsed on an admittedly tangential paragraph.

Your brazen shamelessness is truly appalling, but I don't imagine you see it.

But hey, don't mind me. You decide what you believe. And don't let any of them Popes, Bishops, Priests or any other Clergy tell you any different. The teachings of the Catholic Church, it's dogma, its magisterium, it's canon law, are what YOU decide they are. Because let's face it - the only thing Popes, Bishops, Priests or any other Clergy can offer is opinions, and who needs that?

Just remember that in all your deciding, you are NOT Protestant. Nope. Even though you decide for yourself what the Church teachings are, and deny any legitimate guidance from the Clergy and all their apostate, heretical opinions, and rely SOLELY on your interpretation of Church documents for the authority you accept, you are still entirely, wholly Catholic. And of course, if any of the Clergy's opinions are actually true teachings, well, then after due consideration, if and only if you decide they are correct, you will accept them.

And as a matter of fact, to be any different than what YOU are is to be heretical - isn't that what you said?

Un.Real.

"Catholic."

LOL!

69 posted on 05/11/2014 10:59:24 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
These very points were still addressed in my post, which is why I selected that paragraph. It covered more in less space. You would have benefited from having actually read it. Oh well. Not surprising.

Ultimately, you are having a distinct problem in understanding the issue at hand, try as I might to focus you on it. I have never denied that the Church has determined doctrine. As a matter of fact, my original posts, one of which you quoted and said was false, reflect this very fact. The problem is you like to pretend I am saying doctrine when I say other things, like opinion or some such. Then running away with your opinions confusion you try to assert that clerical opinions are binding on the faithful, because you are pretending that the word opinion is the same as teaching or doctrine. But, opinions are NOT binding on the faithful, and this is a teaching of the very Church you argue I deny. I offered you proofs, not least of all Pope Benedict XVI. He directly denied that his papal OPINIONS are to be confused with dogma. He even specifically said "everyone is free, then, to contradict me." That is a direct refutation of your entire error right there.

In my first post I directly stated "Only in cases where the Pope's opinion is, in fact, Catholic will this above hold true. But, if one should teach something less than orthodox, like say suggesting that atheism saves and that Catholics should encourage atheists to be more devoted in their atheism, then any real Catholic will certainly hold theological opinions which differ from his." The entire fraud you have perpetrated is contrived from pretending that the statement that my OPINIONS do not have to match his OPINIONS, unless they are orthodox and Catholic, somehow means that I get to make up the faith and decide for myself what to believe. Sorry, but not so. I never said it, you did. I never argued it, you did. If you quite pretending that OPINIONS==DOCTRINE you could finally understand what other people are saying.

I will ignore the rest of your dishonest accusations which are founded only in your imagination.

Have a wonderful day.

70 posted on 05/12/2014 10:22:23 AM PDT by cothrige
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