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These very points were still addressed in my post, which is why I selected that paragraph. It covered more in less space. You would have benefited from having actually read it. Oh well. Not surprising.

Ultimately, you are having a distinct problem in understanding the issue at hand, try as I might to focus you on it. I have never denied that the Church has determined doctrine. As a matter of fact, my original posts, one of which you quoted and said was false, reflect this very fact. The problem is you like to pretend I am saying doctrine when I say other things, like opinion or some such. Then running away with your opinions confusion you try to assert that clerical opinions are binding on the faithful, because you are pretending that the word opinion is the same as teaching or doctrine. But, opinions are NOT binding on the faithful, and this is a teaching of the very Church you argue I deny. I offered you proofs, not least of all Pope Benedict XVI. He directly denied that his papal OPINIONS are to be confused with dogma. He even specifically said "everyone is free, then, to contradict me." That is a direct refutation of your entire error right there.

In my first post I directly stated "Only in cases where the Pope's opinion is, in fact, Catholic will this above hold true. But, if one should teach something less than orthodox, like say suggesting that atheism saves and that Catholics should encourage atheists to be more devoted in their atheism, then any real Catholic will certainly hold theological opinions which differ from his." The entire fraud you have perpetrated is contrived from pretending that the statement that my OPINIONS do not have to match his OPINIONS, unless they are orthodox and Catholic, somehow means that I get to make up the faith and decide for myself what to believe. Sorry, but not so. I never said it, you did. I never argued it, you did. If you quite pretending that OPINIONS==DOCTRINE you could finally understand what other people are saying.

I will ignore the rest of your dishonest accusations which are founded only in your imagination.

Have a wonderful day.

I offered you proofs, not least of all Pope Benedict XVI. He directly denied that his papal OPINIONS are to be confused with dogma. He even specifically said "everyone is free, then, to contradict me." That is a direct refutation of your entire error right there.

You know, it's like a law of the universe - frauds always go too far. It's inevitable.

Proof?

Really?

A direct refutation?

Really?

Then let me ask you this - when (according to you) Pope Benedict said "everyone is free, then, to contradict me," was he speaking as DOGMA, or Papal OPINION?

Because per YOU, if that statement of his was his OPINION, then it could be WRONG.

Right?

But if that statment of his was DOGMA, then it had to be RIGHT - which means it is the dogma of the Church that the Laity can contradict its teachings. Which is, of course, not only internally contradictory, but also removes the very purpose of the existence of the Church.

So we're left with Benedict's OPINION that he can be contradicted. Which, being a mere opinion, could be wrong. Which would mean he cannot be contradicted, which would make his statement wrong - but only if it is right.

Maybe you're a Jesuit. That WOULD pass for a jesuitical "proof."

So can he be contradicted, then? According to whom? YOU? What if you're wrong in contradicting him? But how would you know if you were wrong, since NO Clergy has any inherently more truthful opinion than yours, regarding Church dogma?

LOL, give it up. You're a farce. Your "logic" is anything but, your "proofs" are internally self-defeating, your "argument" negates the need for the Church but, but, but - somehow, in some way, you're still Catholic.

Understand, I truly do not care whether you are Catholic or not. But I find your blazing hypocrisy so incredibly offensive I had to call you on it. Obviously, a very large part of whatever it is you think you're doing involves using openly hypocritical "defenses" for your openly hypocritical positions. No doubt some sort of effort to help bring about the collapse of rational thinking altogether, at least among American Catholics, through cognitive dissonance or some other psycho-rape some (Jesuit) shrink got a government grant to develop. Not that the idea is new - normalizing hypocrisy is a long played liberal tactic. I've just never seen it so brazenly played concerning Catholic doctrine.

But hey, if the Clerics won't step forward to shut you up, why not go for it, right? After all, those apostate priests and bishops you apparently know so well are precisely the prople who will NOT step forward to silence or correct you. But really, how could they? Anything they might say to you would only be their opinion, right?

LOL, you're just so clever. No one will EVER figure out what you're doing. Like Khan, "yours, is the superior, intellect."

(Except, of course, that Spock noted "your pattern indicates two dimensional thinking." And you know where that deficiency led in 3D battlespace... LOL...)