What's the deal with Joyce Meyer?

[Ex-Episcopalian]

I would like to know what FReepers think of Joyce Meyer, the prolific speaker, author and teacher. I write book reviews for my church, and I worked on a review of "God Is Not Mad At You". A friend at church told me that Meyer's theology is very controversial, so I asked my pastor about it. He said that he would not want to promote a book by Meyer because of some things she has said, for example, Jesus went to hell to pay for our sins, was forgiven by God, and was the first born-again man. I know that is wrong because the payment for our sins was full and final on the Cross, Jesus did not have to be forgiven for anything, and was certainly not born again. We are born again. Any comments on this or on Meyer in general? Thank you.

[demshateGod]

“What’s the deal with Joyce Meyer?”

She’s a woman preacher: a clear violation of God’s Word. Why wouldn’t she just make up stuff when her whole life’s work is based on thumbing her nose at God?

[PoloSec]

Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

[LurkingSince'98]

other than what she preaches was heretical in the 1 -3 rd centuries, was still heretical in the sixteenth century and is still heretical today - nothing much wrong that I can see.

ADMG
Lurking’

[svcw]

I just to enjoy listening to her years ago, a couple of yes ago thought why not.
She is not the same person.
Personally I think many fine people who preach after a time are consumed by their popularity, and it changes them.

[smokingfrog]

Not worth your time.
There are much better options.

[basil]

Here is the Apostles’ Creed which is said at every Catholic Mass:

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[txrefugee]

Meyer has strayed from the faith, but it’’s been very profitable.

Your pastor gave you good advice. Check out all preachers according to whether they are proclaiming the Word of God from the Bible.

[iowamark]

Joyce Meyer is about Prosperity Gospel, not Christ’s Gospel.

[fungoking]

She's a health and wealther, worked for her, she's wealthy.

Never understood why to get a big payout from God, Christians have to send money to the TV preachers instead of their local church.

On the plus side Joyce Meyer Ministries joined the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability in 2009, which requires financial transparency from its members.

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/authors/joyce-meyer-net-worth/

“Joyce Meyer is best known as a Christian speaker and author with a net worth estimated to be around $25 Million. In 2005, she ranked #17 on the list of “25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America” by TIME Magazine. In 2003, she and her husband started a television ministry which still airs today, Enjoying Everyday Life.

Pauline Joyce Hutchison as born on June 4, 1943 in St. Louis, Missouri, U.S.. She is currently married to Dave Meyer, with whom she has four children. The couple is currently based outside of St. Louis, Missouri. She and her husband were often involved in controversies pertaining to their excessive and extravagant lifestyle. In addition to several homes which she owns, Meyer reportedly travels via private jet. She responded to the allegations by saying that she doesn’t have to apologize to anyone about her being blessed.”

[afraidfortherepublic]

My copy of the Apostle’s Creed actually says that Christ descended into Hell.

[Responsibility2nd]

I have her book ‘Battlefield of the mind’ on my desk right now.

About 7-8 years ago I used this book as the basis for teaching an adult Sunday School class. And - I might add - I worship at a fundie CofC.

Anyway, I cherry-picked out good and relevant points from her book and it was a very good study over 13 weeks.

Point I’m making is... there will always be some high points as well as - dare I say it? - junk theology in many contemporary writings.

[Buckeye McFrog]

It is an extreme challenge to maintain a Biblically-mandated level of humility once you become a celebrity.

[Buckeye McFrog]

My copy of the Apostle’s Creed actually says that Christ descended into Hell.

Descended into Hell as God to essentially bust the gates open. That's a far cry from what she has allegedly said.

[sr4402]

Jesus did not have to be forgiven for anything

That is correct. "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" 2 Corinthians 5:21. He endured the Hell folks like us deserved and bought us with His own blood. He alone could do this because He did not inherit the sin nature all of us have from Adam.

He descended from heaven and was incarnate of the Virgin Mary - the Unique Son of God - doing all at God the Father's behest.

You can know a preacher's theology in how they talk about Christ. In this case, hers is very bad.

[nikos1121]

I used to get up early every morning to listen to her. I’m actually shocked that there is controversy about her, because what she says comes from the heart and doesn’t sound like Joel Osteen “pie in the sky, and moonbeams” but the mention of Jesus Christ.

I bought some of her audio tapes, but stopped listening to them, when someone else was doing the reading not her.

Her advice to people, esp young couples, regarding the three tenants of wealth are very very accurate, and I’ve seen this time and again working in my life when I abide by it.

In essence she says, that God gives us wealth when we are young enough to appreciate it, to see what we do with it. If we are good custodians, He gives you more. Therefore,

when you are given money you should

1. Tithe some
2. Save some
3. Only then spend some

The opposite of this is where God gives you money and you squander it, and you go into debt and deeper debt, and deeper yet...

The idea of a “cheerful giver” is true, and the more you give the more you receive is so very true, at least in my life and in family members who ascribe to this.

The opposite is when you see people who have what appears to be everything, boats, cars, big homes etc...but in reality they are so far into debt that they are actually poor.

Apply that to our country...and it makes you squirm. We have no business borrowing and borrowing and squandering the riches God has given to us Americans.

Anyway, I would suggest you personally listen to her message and decide for yourself, as I found her words very comforting.

[SoFloFreeper]

I do not care for her. At all. God DOES demand justice.

[HangingTuff]

I enjoy her work and have been blessed by it... To each his own

[AnAmericanMother]

Actually, that's the Nicene or Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed - and it's the old (1970s) translation, which is now out of date. The new Nicene Creed translation is as follows:

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

The current translation of the Apostles' Creed is as follows:

I believe in God,
the Father almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried;
he descended into hell;
on the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. Amen.

With that said, the meaning of "descendit ad inferos" in the original Latin is a bit murky. It is generally believed that the "infernal regions" are not Hell as the abode of the absolutely damned, but Purgatory or the Limbo of the Fathers, from which Christ liberated the souls of the righteous Jews and Pagans. In the old English Catholic tradition, this was called "The Harrowing of Hell".

[laweeks]

Jesus went to hell to pay for our sins, was forgiven by God, and was the first born-again man

Old duck-bill mouth shanked on this one.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember that Jesus was/is/and always will be God. I think I learned that in the first grade.