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Is the Founder of the Christian Religion Paul of Tarsus or Jesus of Nazareth?
Evidence for God ^ | 02/24/2014 | Rich Deem

Posted on 02/24/2014 2:10:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Campion
How’s that?

Because the list of topics and references disagree with Catholic doctrine per Trent? Canons 9/12/14/20 on justification for starters.

41 posted on 02/24/2014 4:12:22 PM PST by xone
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To: jeffc

Read Acts 9:15


42 posted on 02/24/2014 4:17:30 PM PST by Cottonbay
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To: freedumb2003

Christ founded the Church on the Apostles, the first Bishops. Paul wasn’t even there.


43 posted on 02/24/2014 4:32:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
Jesus plainly said more info was coming.

Jesus said, “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you." John 16:12-14

Many of those things to be revealed were revealed through Paul.

44 posted on 02/24/2014 5:05:24 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: WXRGina

Ping


45 posted on 02/24/2014 5:08:24 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: xone
The references are all from Scripture. Pretty sure nobody in the Catholic church thinks her teachings disagree with Scripture, or they wouldn't be there. The canons you mention are rejecting things taught by Luther. Maybe you think that Luther's teachings are self-evidently required by Paul's teachings and are the only possible conclusion from them, but everyone doesn't agree with you.

The people the article is addressing -- those who think that Paul corrupted Christianity -- are almost invariably Judaizers who come from one or the other cultic offshoot of Protestantism. A Catholic who rejects Paul is automatically at least a material heretic.

46 posted on 02/24/2014 5:16:52 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus did not change Saul’s name to Paul.

Some believe that Paul was just the Roman/Latin equivalent of Saul, but the Bible gives us no explanation as to why two different names are used.

Maybe I am misreading your post.


47 posted on 02/24/2014 5:17:57 PM PST by Jvette
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To: aimhigh

So you believe Jesus designated Paul as the Spirit of Truth?!


48 posted on 02/24/2014 5:20:45 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: SeekAndFind
However, he did write the greatest theological treatise of all time in the Book of Romans.

Not hardly.

49 posted on 02/24/2014 5:21:11 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Jvette

I did not say Jesus changed Saul’s name to Paul.

I think Saul is his Hebrew name, while Paul is his Latin name which he uses for Gentiles in the Roman Empire.

Paul is from the Roman family name Paulus, which meant “small” or “humble” in Latin.

Saul on the other hand is from the Hebrew name Sha’ul which meant “asked for” or “prayed for”.


50 posted on 02/24/2014 5:22:02 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for gathering so much material.


51 posted on 02/24/2014 5:23:37 PM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: Verginius Rufus

RE: Back in Norman Vincent Peale’s heyday, someone commented that he found Paul appealing and Peale appalling.

Norman Vincent Peale’s church in New York City, the Marble Collegiate Church prides itself as a GAY AFFIRMING CHURCH.

They even have a LGBT fellowship. See here:

http://www.marblechurch.org/Programs/GIFTSLGBTFellowship/tabid/95/Default.aspx


52 posted on 02/24/2014 5:26:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought i may have misread the post. Sorry


53 posted on 02/24/2014 5:44:09 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Campion
Maybe you think that Luther's teachings are self-evidently required by Paul's teachings and are the only possible conclusion from them, but everyone doesn't agree with you.

Luther's 'teachings' are Paul's teaching, straight up. That all don't agree is self-evident. The Lutheran Confessions doesn't have any doctrine not tied to the plain text of the scripture.

I love the list of the doctrine as well,

Belief in Jesus for eternal life

Righteousness by faith

Justification by faith

Forgiveness of sin through faith

Repentance

54 posted on 02/24/2014 6:15:10 PM PST by xone
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To: Salvation
Paul wasn’t even there.

Contending Paul wasn't an Apostle?

55 posted on 02/24/2014 6:16:47 PM PST by xone
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. I think God would say to us, “Don’t be too hard on my servant, Paul. He did right well with his life.”


56 posted on 02/24/2014 6:17:44 PM PST by zot
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To: xone

He wasn’t one of the first apostles called by Christ. Don’t you have that list in your bible in several places.

Paul came later.


57 posted on 02/24/2014 6:34:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GreyFriar

It makes one really wonder why he would claim to be a Christian at all? I mean, if the man whom Christ chose to be the apostle to the Gentiles couldn’t get the faith right, what makes people like this fellow you mentioned think that they are “wiser” and more “spiritual”?


58 posted on 02/24/2014 6:35:03 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: SeekAndFind

They had Faye Wattleton of Planned Parenthood speak there as well.


59 posted on 02/24/2014 6:36:08 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Salvation

Do you think he was an Apostle? If so, you need to work on that post’s sentence structure.


60 posted on 02/24/2014 6:36:39 PM PST by xone
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