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Is the Founder of the Christian Religion Paul of Tarsus or Jesus of Nazareth?
Evidence for God ^ | 02/24/2014 | Rich Deem

Posted on 02/24/2014 2:10:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Many skeptics assert that Paul of Tarsus (the apostle Paul) hijacked the early Christian religion, changing the theology from what Jesus originally taught. Usually offered as proof for this claim are the doctrines found in Paul's great theological work, his letter to the Romans. Without a doubt, the book of Romans contains the most complete exposition of orthodox Christian doctrines. Are these doctrines contrary to what Jesus taught? Do they conflict with the teachings of the Old Testament from which they were purportedly derived? If Paul really "invented" Christianity, then one would expect that his teachings would be different from Jesus, the other apostles, and disciples.

The claims of Christianity

Christians claim that Paul of Tarsus met Jesus on a trip to persecute Christians in Damascus. Struck blind for three days, Paul waited for Ananias (one of Jesus' followers) to heal him. Converted by the experience, Paul passionately proclaimed the gospel to the Jewish and Gentile world. This gospel included doctrines including the atonement of sin through Jesus' death on the cross and justification through faith. Paul, in his letter to the Galatians, indicated that he received this gospel by revelation of Jesus Christ:

For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:11-12)

If it were true that Paul received his teaching directly from Jesus Christ, then surely Jesus Himself would have taught what Paul was preaching.

Paul's teaching of the gospel

The basis of the gospel is the belief that Jesus died for the sins of mankind. Jesus clearly indicated that His purpose was to come to die on a cross for the sins of the world.2 This concept was not a new one, since Isaiah first prophesied that the Messiah would die for our sins.1 Paul, of course taught this doctrine,3 as did John, Luke, and Peter.4 Other crucial doctrines taught by Paul were also taught by Jesus and the disciples:

For a list of verses, see the table below.

Were Paul's Doctrines Taught by Jesus?
Doctrine First Taught Verse Taught by
Jesus Paul Others
Atonement by death on cross Isaiah Isaiah 53:5-121 Matthew 10:38, 16:24, 26:28, Mark 8:34, 14:24, Luke 9:23, 14:27, 22:20, John 12:32-332 1 Corinthians 1:18, 11:25, Ephesians 2:8, 16, Colossians 1:20, 2:143 John 1:29, 36, Acts 8:32, 1 Peter 1:18-19, 2:24, Revelation 5:12-14, 7:144
Believe in Jesus for eternal life Job Job 19:25-265 Matthew 19:29, Mark 10:29-30, Luke 9:24, John 3:166 Romans 5:21, 6:23, 1 Timothy 1:16, Jude 1:217 Acts 11:17-18, 1 John 5:118
Righteousness by faith Moses, Habakkuk Genesis 15:6, Habakkuk 2:49 Mark 11:22, Luke 7:5010 Romans 1:17, 3:22, 3:25-26, 4:3, 9, 11, 13, 5:17, 9:30, 10:4, 10, Galatians 3:6, 11, Philippians 3:911 Hebrews 11:4, 7, 2 Peter 1:112
Justification by faith Moses Genesis 15:6, Isaiah 53:1113 Luke 7:50, 8:12 Mark 16:16, John 3:18, 5:2414 Romans 3:28, 30, 5:1, 18, Galatians 2:16, 3:8, 2415 James 2:2316
Forgiveness of sin through faith David 2 Chronicles 7:14, Psalm 86:5, Jeremiah 31:33-3417 Matthew 9:2, 6, 26:27-28, Mark 2:5, 10-11, Luke 5:20, 24, Acts 26:1818 Acts 26:18, Ephesians 1:7, 4:32, Colossians 1:13-14, 2:13, 3:1319 Luke 1:76-77, Acts 2:38, 5:31, 10:43, 13:38, Hebrews 10:18-20, James 5:15, 1 John 1:7-9, 2:1220
Repentance Isaiah Isaiah 1:27, 30:15, Ezekiel 18:3221 Matthew 4:17, Mark 1:15, Luke 5:32, 13:3, 24:46-4722 Romans 2:4, 2 Corinthians 7:9-1023 Matthew 3:2, Mark 1:4, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38, 17:30, 20:21, 2 Peter 3:924
 

Other Teachings

Besides the core doctrines of Christianity, Paul taught on many other theological topics, also taught by Jesus. Below is a list of some of these teachings (found in the gospels) compared to what Paul taught in his letters to the churches.

Was Paul Aware of Jesus' Teachings?
Teaching Paul Jesus
Parable of sower 1 Corinthians 3:6-10 Matthew 13:1-23
Stumbling stone Romans 9:33 Matthew 18:7
Ruling against divorce 1 Corinthians 7:10 Mark 10:11
Support for apostles 1 Corinthians 9:14 Luke 10:7
Institution of Lord's supper 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 Matthew 26:26-28
Command concerning prophets 1 Corinthians 14:37 Matthew 23:34
Lord's return 1 Thessalonians 4:15 Matthew 24:1-51
Blessing of the persecuted Romans 12:14 Luke 6:27
Don't repay evil with evil Romans 12:17 and 1 Thessalonians 5:15 Matthew 5:38-48, Luke 6:27
Pay taxes to authorities Romans 13:7 Mark 12:12-17
No stumbling block Romans 14:13 Mark 9:42
Nothing is unclean Romans 14:14 Mark 7:15
Thief in the night

1 Thessalonians 5:2 Luke 12:39
Peace among yourselves 1 Thessalonians 5:13 Mark 9:50
Peace with everyone Romans 12:18 Mark 9:50
Do not judge Romans 13:10 Luke 6:37

Paul's Jesus isn't real?

The claim is often made in skeptical circles that Paul never describes the man Jesus of Nazareth, but only refers to a celestial Jesus. Of course, the claim is false, although the claim seems to be believed by a number of skeptics who probably never read any of Paul's New Testament books. In reality, Paul indicates that Jesus came into the world,25 and that he himself saw Him.26 In addition, Paul states that Jesus was a man27 made of flesh,28 ate and drank,29 bled,30 was crucified,31 died,32 and was raised from the dead.33 These are not the kinds of things that happen to some ghost Jesus. In virtually every book he authored (over 80 verses that I found), Paul clearly makes reference to Jesus the man, who lived and died on earth.

Paul Describes the Physical Jesus
Physical Attribute Verses
Jesus came into the world 1 Timothy 1:15, Philippians 2:5-825
Jesus was seen by Paul 1 Corinthians 9:126
Jesus was a man Romans 5:15, 1 Timothy 2:5, Philippians 2:5-827
Jesus was flesh Romans 1:3, 8:3, 9:5, 2 Corinthians 5:16, Ephesians 2:14-15, 1 Timothy 3:1628
Jesus ate and drank 1 Corinthians 11:23-2529
Jesus bled  Romans 3:24-25, 5:9, 1 Corinthians 10:16, 11:25, 27 Ephesians 1:7, 2:13, Colossians 1:2030
Jesus was crucified 1 Corinthians 1:13, 23, 2:2, 8, 2 Corinthians 13:4, Galatians 3:1, Philippians 2:831
Jesus died Romans 5:6, 8, 10 6:3, 5, 9-10, 8:34, 14:9, 15, 1 Corinthians 8:11, 11:26 15:3, 2 Corinthians 5:14-15, Galatians 2:21, Philippians 2:8, 3:10, Colossians 1:22, 1 Thessalonians 4:14, 5:1032
Jesus was raised from the dead Romans 1:4, 4:24-25, 6:4-5 9, 7:4, 8:11, 34, 9:17, 10:9, 1 Corinthians 6:14, 15:4, 12-17, 20, 2 Corinthians 4:14, 5:15 Galatians 1:1, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 2:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 4:1433

Conclusion

The idea that Paul invented Christianity out of some theological vacuum is completely without merit. Although Paul's Letter to the Romans is radically different from just about any other book of the Bible, the teachings found in the Book of Romans is also found in the Old Testament, the teachings of Jesus, and the teachings of the disciples. So, Paul didn't just make up doctrines to create a new religion. However, he did write the greatest theological treatise of all time in the Book of Romans. Not only are the core doctrines of Christianity found outside Paul's writings, but Paul himself taught many other theological issues that reflect the teachings of Jesus during His years of ministry. Contrary to the claims of some, Paul did not just write about some "cosmic Jesus," but described Jesus as a real man who lived and died on planet earth. In conclusion, Paul of Tarsus did not invent Christianity, but clarified the teachings of the Bible as no other Bible author ever has. In addition to his great theological writings, Paul was Christianity's greatest evangelist.


Paul: Follower of Jesus or Founder of Christianity? by David Wenham. Oxford New Testament lecturer Wenham examines the question, Was Paul thoroughly aware of Jesus' life and teaching, or did he largely create Christianity himself? Most of the discussion utilizes comparison of brief passages from the Epistles to the final written Gospels. Wenham points out both parallels and divergences, considering how Paul's writings and teachings may have influenced the oral traditions and early written texts that coalesced into the Gospels, and vice versa. He makes a strong case that most, but not all, of Paul's beliefs conform to the received Jesus tradition.



TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; churchhistory; jesus; methodism; paul; stpaul; theology
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To: Campion
How’s that?

Because the list of topics and references disagree with Catholic doctrine per Trent? Canons 9/12/14/20 on justification for starters.

41 posted on 02/24/2014 4:12:22 PM PST by xone
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To: jeffc

Read Acts 9:15


42 posted on 02/24/2014 4:17:30 PM PST by Cottonbay
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To: freedumb2003

Christ founded the Church on the Apostles, the first Bishops. Paul wasn’t even there.


43 posted on 02/24/2014 4:32:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
Jesus plainly said more info was coming.

Jesus said, “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you." John 16:12-14

Many of those things to be revealed were revealed through Paul.

44 posted on 02/24/2014 5:05:24 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: WXRGina

Ping


45 posted on 02/24/2014 5:08:24 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: xone
The references are all from Scripture. Pretty sure nobody in the Catholic church thinks her teachings disagree with Scripture, or they wouldn't be there. The canons you mention are rejecting things taught by Luther. Maybe you think that Luther's teachings are self-evidently required by Paul's teachings and are the only possible conclusion from them, but everyone doesn't agree with you.

The people the article is addressing -- those who think that Paul corrupted Christianity -- are almost invariably Judaizers who come from one or the other cultic offshoot of Protestantism. A Catholic who rejects Paul is automatically at least a material heretic.

46 posted on 02/24/2014 5:16:52 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus did not change Saul’s name to Paul.

Some believe that Paul was just the Roman/Latin equivalent of Saul, but the Bible gives us no explanation as to why two different names are used.

Maybe I am misreading your post.


47 posted on 02/24/2014 5:17:57 PM PST by Jvette
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To: aimhigh

So you believe Jesus designated Paul as the Spirit of Truth?!


48 posted on 02/24/2014 5:20:45 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: SeekAndFind
However, he did write the greatest theological treatise of all time in the Book of Romans.

Not hardly.

49 posted on 02/24/2014 5:21:11 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Jvette

I did not say Jesus changed Saul’s name to Paul.

I think Saul is his Hebrew name, while Paul is his Latin name which he uses for Gentiles in the Roman Empire.

Paul is from the Roman family name Paulus, which meant “small” or “humble” in Latin.

Saul on the other hand is from the Hebrew name Sha’ul which meant “asked for” or “prayed for”.


50 posted on 02/24/2014 5:22:02 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for gathering so much material.


51 posted on 02/24/2014 5:23:37 PM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: Verginius Rufus

RE: Back in Norman Vincent Peale’s heyday, someone commented that he found Paul appealing and Peale appalling.

Norman Vincent Peale’s church in New York City, the Marble Collegiate Church prides itself as a GAY AFFIRMING CHURCH.

They even have a LGBT fellowship. See here:

http://www.marblechurch.org/Programs/GIFTSLGBTFellowship/tabid/95/Default.aspx


52 posted on 02/24/2014 5:26:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought i may have misread the post. Sorry


53 posted on 02/24/2014 5:44:09 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Campion
Maybe you think that Luther's teachings are self-evidently required by Paul's teachings and are the only possible conclusion from them, but everyone doesn't agree with you.

Luther's 'teachings' are Paul's teaching, straight up. That all don't agree is self-evident. The Lutheran Confessions doesn't have any doctrine not tied to the plain text of the scripture.

I love the list of the doctrine as well,

Belief in Jesus for eternal life

Righteousness by faith

Justification by faith

Forgiveness of sin through faith

Repentance

54 posted on 02/24/2014 6:15:10 PM PST by xone
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To: Salvation
Paul wasn’t even there.

Contending Paul wasn't an Apostle?

55 posted on 02/24/2014 6:16:47 PM PST by xone
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. I think God would say to us, “Don’t be too hard on my servant, Paul. He did right well with his life.”


56 posted on 02/24/2014 6:17:44 PM PST by zot
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To: xone

He wasn’t one of the first apostles called by Christ. Don’t you have that list in your bible in several places.

Paul came later.


57 posted on 02/24/2014 6:34:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GreyFriar

It makes one really wonder why he would claim to be a Christian at all? I mean, if the man whom Christ chose to be the apostle to the Gentiles couldn’t get the faith right, what makes people like this fellow you mentioned think that they are “wiser” and more “spiritual”?


58 posted on 02/24/2014 6:35:03 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: SeekAndFind

They had Faye Wattleton of Planned Parenthood speak there as well.


59 posted on 02/24/2014 6:36:08 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Salvation

Do you think he was an Apostle? If so, you need to work on that post’s sentence structure.


60 posted on 02/24/2014 6:36:39 PM PST by xone
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