Filioque (before the Nicene Creed)

You are in over your head posting actual Christian information

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Who are any of you to tell a child of the Lord what they should or should not read or discuss even my faith makes no limits on any thing that is in accord with the things pertaining to the Lord.

Articles of Faithto be
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Those who are honest and have the spirit of the Lord will ponder why the Nature of the Godhead was clarified or defined 300 years afterwards, not only that, there many adjustments made down through histories until 1438.

Well after the discovery of the Printing press in 1453 the people were able to read the Bible so the slite of hand could no longer do it thing...

41 posted on 02/18/2014 5:32:34 PM PST by restornu

In all due respect on this issue should have already been a part of the doctrine, which I sure it was during the ancient Church, than after the schism and the dust settle the deck was shuffled and this is what the world came up with.

No matter how one slice or dice this the word of God comes from God, not a group of men trying to figure out this puzzle.

There is no such thing as a debate on the definition on the Lord’s doctrine of the Godhead, as took place during the time of Constantine in 325 AD, that should not have been going on. The word of God is absolute, no one centuries later have a right trying to put humpy dumpy back together again, or unscramble and egg.

Someone or beings had the correct knowledge but it was never going to come to the light of day.

It was not until 1453 that people could even read the Bible in their own home, prior to that time the masses were at the mercy of the celery.

I also believe even though this was not properly settle that in spite what the people did have, the Lord was able to work with those hearts and minds that were malleable to his scriptures.

What it did do, with out a true definition. was to create a stumbling block.

My doing this was not to argue over this but in all logic man can not arbitrary fix this, as to make it fit.

42 posted on 02/18/2014 5:58:34 PM PST by restornu

To: HiTech RedNeck

43 posted on 02/19/2014 4:33:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Who are any of you to tell a child of the Lord what they should or should not read ...

Oh, Sweety!

It's not US who tell you this; but your chosen LEADERSHIP that does!!

44 posted on 02/19/2014 4:34:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

1958 Mormon Doctrine Book Banned

I have no idea how bad or good this is (I just Googled for Mormon book ban) but again it seems our dear LDS neighbors might be as sensitive as, if not more than, Rome. They've both gone off in odd directions with doctrines, but different odd directions.

The worst departures, however, don't have so much to do with speculative theological minutiae, most of which reflect at least an attempt to glorify God, as with outright denials of the direct salvific capability of Christ.

45 posted on 02/19/2014 4:42:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)

46 posted on 02/19/2014 5:04:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

WHY are you SURE?

47 posted on 02/19/2014 5:05:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

It was not until 1453 that people could even read the Bible in their own home, prior to that time the masses were at the mercy of the celery.

48 posted on 02/19/2014 5:15:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

The word of God is absolute, no one centuries later have a right trying to put humpy dumpy back together again, or unscramble and egg.

Then why don't YOU use the JST instead of the KJV???

49 posted on 02/19/2014 5:17:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

... or unscramble and egg.

Speaking of SCRAMBLED....

See some differences between GOD's Word and the Joseph Smith's 'translation'

Color coding explanation:

Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff...

*(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)

JOSEPH SMITH—MATTHEW

An extract from the translation of the Bible as revealed to Joseph Smith the Prophet in 1831: Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.

Jesus foretells the impending destruction of Jerusalem—He also discourses on the second coming of the Son of Man, and the destruction of the wicked.

1 ^aFor I say unto you, that ye shall not see me henceforth and know that I am he of whom it is written by the prophets, until ye shall say: Blessed is he who ^bcometh in the name of the Lord, in the clouds of heaven, and all the holy angels with him. Then understood his disciples that he should come again on the earth, after that he was glorified and ^ccrowned on the right hand of God.

2 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple; and his disciples came to him, for to ^ahear him, saying: Master, show us concerning the buildings of the temple, as thou hast said—They shall be thrown down, and left unto you desolate.

3 And Jesus said unto them: See ye not all these things, and do ye not understand them? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here, upon this temple, one ^astone upon another that shall not be thrown down.

4 And Jesus left them, and went upon the Mount of Olives. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the ^asign of thy ^bcoming, and of the ^cend of the world, or the destruction of the ^dwicked, which is the end of the world?

5 And Jesus answered, and said unto them: Take heed that no man deceive you;

6 For many shall come in my name, saying—I am ^aChrist—and shall deceive many;

7 Then shall they deliver you up to be ^aafflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be ^bhated of all nations, for my name’s sake;

8 And then shall many be ^aoffended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another;

9 And many ^afalse prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many;

10 And because iniquity shall abound, the ^alove of many shall wax cold;

11 But he that remaineth ^asteadfast and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.

12 When you, therefore, shall see the ^aabomination of ^bdesolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of ^cJerusalem, then you shall stand in the ^dholy place; whoso readeth let him understand.

13 Then let them who are in Judea flee into the ^amountains;

14 Let him who is on the housetop flee, and not return to take anything out of his house;

15 Neither let him who is in the field return back to take his clothes;

16 And wo unto them that are with ^achild, and unto them that give suck in those days;

17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day;

18 For then, in those days, shall be great ^atribulation on the ^bJews, and upon the inhabitants of ^cJerusalem, such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.

19 All things which have befallen them are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them.

20 And except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be ^asaved; but for the elect’s sake, according to the ^bcovenant, those days shall be shortened.

21 Behold, these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews; and again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe him not;

22 For in those days there shall also arise false ^aChrists, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.

23 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the ^aelect’s sake; and you also shall hear of ^bwars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled, for all I have told you must come to pass; but the end is not yet.

24 Behold, I have told you before;

25 Wherefore, if they shall say unto you: Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not;

26 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the ^aeast, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the ^acarcass is, there will the eagles be ^bgathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.

28 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars.

29 Behold I speak for mine elect’s sake; for nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be ^afamines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

30 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax ^acold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.

31 And again, this ^aGospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all ^bnations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked;

32 And again shall the ^aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.

33 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the ^asun shall be ^bdarkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the ^cstars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

34 Verily, I say unto you, this ^ageneration, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.

35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my ^awords shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.

36 And, as I said before, after the ^atribulation of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth ^bmourn; and they shall see the ^cSon of Man ^dcoming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory;

37 And whoso ^atreasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall ^bcome, and he shall send his ^cangels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the ^dremainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

38 Now learn a parable of the ^afig-tree—When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh at hand;

39 So likewise, mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors;

40 But of that day, and hour, no one ^aknoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.

41 But as it was in the days of ^aNoah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;

42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the ^aflood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;

43 And ^aknew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

44 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that in the ^alast days, two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other ^bleft;

45 Two shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left;

46 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; ^awatch, therefore, for you know not at what hour your Lord doth come.

47 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up, but would have been ready.

48 Therefore be ye also ^aready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.

49 Who, then, is a ^afaithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

50 Blessed is that ^aservant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing; and verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

51 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord ^adelayeth his coming,

52 And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken,

53 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

54 And shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and ^agnashing of teeth.

55 And thus cometh the ^aend of the wicked, according to the prophecy of Moses, saying: They shall be cut off from among the people; but the end of the earth is not yet, but by and by.

KJV Matthew 23:38-39 24:1-51

39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

King James Version of the Holy Bible

Public domain

50 posted on 02/19/2014 5:18:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: HiTech RedNeck; Elsie

We all carried that banned book. Used to read the Great and Abominable parts with glee as we tried to convert the world.

If McConkie said it was true, by golly it was TRUE.

What a self aggrandizing dip wad he was. But aren't they all?

51 posted on 02/19/2014 5:38:05 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)

Mormon Doctrine Available Here

I think they are all first editions. The revised versions are not nearly so juicy. Should have said Mormonism's "HATE Propaganda" version.

52 posted on 02/19/2014 5:51:31 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)

What a self aggrandizing dip wad he was. But aren't they all?

If faith in the actual Christ exists among such people, they are also fighting hard against Him with all this speculation. That isn't exactly a recipe for blessings. Yes, such a conflicted state can occur, but if the actual Christ has a foothold by faith, He will also eventually win.

A buddy of mine, a conventional evangelical Christian, was approached by Mormon missionaries. He did talk with them and shared his faith with them, and they were fascinated. They mentioned having encountered some frightening figures that reportedly pried their eyes open in the name of the faith. I know what that means, of course -- demonic activity. Now they won't quit bugging my buddy, though I encourage my buddy from time to time to give them a face full of straight gospel.

53 posted on 02/19/2014 6:14:54 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)

in 1453 the people were able to read the Bible
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No Resty dear, people still did not know how to read..

Gutenberg did not teach people how to read the Bible...

He just gave them he opportunity to own one...

if they had the means...

In 1453 even some of the nobility who owned a Bible couldn’t read..

later in 1830-1877 not all Mormons could read their book of Mormon if they had one..

Many of the Mormons were either couldn’t read or they didn’t read English, they were mostly from foreign countries and not American born..
(Although Mormonism is considered an American religion, it was started with people Joey Smith and Brigham young brought from Europe to make war on the American government and American Christians..

Meanwhile the children of the Mormon overlords in SLC are indeed told “what they should or should not read or discuss” either in print or the Internet..

at present the “children of the Mormon overlords” have been ordered not to read about or discuss the upcoming March 14th arrest of their crooked theocratic dictator, Thomas S Monson for criminal financial fraud...

Nobody in these threads told the Mormons not to read about their high mucky muck overlord’s crimes...

we are busy exposing the truth to the Mormons and are URGING them to find out about it and read all they can..

Yes someone is telling you not to read certain things but its not us...

Meanwhile Resty personally Ive been telling you for years to read the Bible for yourself and not to just cut and paste unrelated Bible scriptures that the ignorant FARMS/FAIR/LSD Inc give you to post here...

Do you even read the stuff you post ???

Here on Feb 19, 2014 I’ll say again to you...

Read the Bible for yourself, Resty..

all of the Bible not just the parts your Mormon overlords tell you will disprove the truth of the Trinity or the nature of God or the virginity of Mary, or that the blood of Jesus that He shed when He died on the Cross covers every sin..

Just because the Mormons deny the Crucifixion does not make it so...

It really happened...theres several accounts in the Bible...

Please read the Bible for yourself...

54 posted on 02/19/2014 6:18:53 AM PST by Tennessee Nana

... I mean, the “they” are the Mormons. Not the creepy figures. My buddy did meet Satan once, a few decades ago. Satan asked him to give his soul for rock and roll (no kidding, exactly in that manner). My buddy refused. Now my buddy and I are busy composing Christian songs by which we hope the gospel mission might be furthered in the world. Usually I write the lyrics and he writes the music. God is working between us in ways that are quite boldly spiritual. With one song, I managed to write what my buddy confirmed was his salvation story, which he hadn’t given me too many particulars about, but I already knew in other ways that he was believing on Christ for salvation of his eternal life.

55 posted on 02/19/2014 6:22:07 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)

Almighty Love(my buddy's salvation story)

56 posted on 02/19/2014 6:25:47 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you. See my page.)

in 1453 the people were able to read the Bible
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speaking of being able to read...

later in 1830-1877 not all Mormons could read their book of Mormon if they had one..

Many of the Mormons were either couldn’t read or they didn’t read English, they were mostly from foreign countries and not American born..

When Brigham Young moved some of his followers to Utah Territory in Mexico to escape the decency laws of America he set up schools ...

Schools to teach people to read Nana ???

No schools to teach them to DANCE. Young was a party animal..his parties and balls were like Roman orgies, a good place for Young and his fellow Playboys to meet new young girls to add to his stable...

Young was more interested in the bodies of his slaves err followers and not their spirits...

Young told them what to believe...theres no record of Young ever telling the Mormons to read the Bible for themselves..

57 posted on 02/19/2014 6:27:55 AM PST by Tennessee Nana

To: Tennessee Nana

58 posted on 02/19/2014 6:40:48 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)

To: Tennessee Nana

Not exactly the most savory story.

It sounde from Mormon tracts that it started out idealistically enough, but Smith just ended up creating “one more denomination” (something he reportedly hated) and at that, a polluted and confused one. And which has demonic phenomena to this day. I’m leery about Mitt having run for president... it’s like it was a giveaway to Obama and it wasn’t just his wishy washy politics. Obama got just the right bump in the right swing states to make it, and I don’t think even Democrat cheaters are that good on their own. More typically a Democrat cheating coup takes a long dragged out game of Calvinball.

59 posted on 02/19/2014 6:43:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

Bog means bog in Norwegian, according to Google Translate. Those Norwegians don’t mince words.

60 posted on 02/19/2014 6:45:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

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