Posted on 02/12/2014 9:14:01 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
my first school was named “J. C. Knight.”
It was named for a local doctor who donated the land back in the 30’s.
We were the Knights.
Little did I know it would think it would not be PC.
Nothing in Acts supports sola scriptura. The Bereans were “more noble” for checking what Paul said about the Old Testament fulfillment with the Old Testament. They were not sola scripturists.
The Greek version of the Old Testament was searched to see if what St. Paul CLAIMED ABOUT IT were true. Hence, no sola scriptura.
Protestants often lack the ability to think. When a Protestant cites an early Church father as believing in sola scriptura he creates a problem for himself. Cyril of Jerusalem, for instance, believed in the Real Presence. Yet no Protestant who believes in sola scriptura here at FR would agree with him on that.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2301246/posts
Thus, the Protestant has a dilemma. If Cyril of Jerusalem believed in sola scriptura, then the Eucharist must be Christ’s body.
Wring again! Sorry. Even your beloved Peter called Paul’s writings scripture.
2 Peter 3:15b. As also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given him, [16] as in all his letters, speaking concerning these matters, in which some things are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also THE OTHER SCRIPTURES. [17] You then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being let away with the delusion of the lawless.
The know-nothing Papists have a bigger problem, since Cyril specifically says not to give him heed if it cannot be shown out of the holy scripture. IOW, he does not, of himself, give himself absolute authority to dictate doctrine.
Thus the know-nothing Papist gets his real presence, but loses tradition, by conceding that Cyril to us.
Second, the know-nothing Papists need to read about Luther's sacramentology and the Westminster confession. What the know-nothing Papist is really talking about is Transubstantiation, not the Real Presence.
You remember what happens to you when we get into a debate about whether Transubstantiation is the historical Christian doctrine, don't you? Don't tempt me man! Don't tempt me! It ain't safe! For your own well-being, step away!(but I know you won't)
Oh but they were. All teaching was to be compared to written scripture. And given that Peter equated Paul’s writings with “THE OTHER SCRIPTURES” putting them on the same level we can easily see that all teaching is to be compared to scripture.
The Bereans were talking to Paul about the Old Testament. That’s what the verse in Acts is about.
You’re the one who is wrong. Again.
Please prove that.
And yet all indications are that God used men, Jews and Catholics, to preserve the Scriptures for centuries.
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
It is a special privilege to be entrusted with preserving The Scriptures.
Nice try. But you’re still wrong.
23. Hold fast these traditions undefiled and, keep yourselves free from offense. Sever not yourselves from the Communion; deprive not yourselves, through the pollution of sins, of these Holy and Spiritual Mysteries. And the God of peace sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit, and soul, and body be preserved entire without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Thessalonians 5:23:— To whom be glory and honour and might, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and world without end. Amen.
This was posted to you 6 months ago. And you dismissed it: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3034405/replies?c=121 And you’ll continue to do so I’m sure. Cyril believed in Sacred Tradition. He saw no conflict between it and Scripture. He never believed in sola scriptura.
How do you know?
How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?
How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?
What is your source for verifying all of the above?
Please provide the sources for verification purposes.
Read the verse.
Who is mentioned? Bereans.
What were they praised for? Searching the scriptures.
What were the scriptures - as Greek speaking JEWS (not Christians) - that they knew and recognized? The Old Testament.
Some Protestants recognize this simple fact:
“searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so—whether the Christian interpretation which the apostle put upon the Old Testament Scriptures was the true one.” (Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible)
And you’re still missing the point. Cyril did not believe in sola scriptura nor is there any evidence he did so. He clearly believed in tradition and scripture and saw no conflict. He also believed in ancient Christian doctrines like the Real Presence which no sola scripturist - which is a purely Protestant thing rather than an orthodox Christian thing - believes.
LOL, keep saying it to yourself if it makes you feel any better.
He also believed in ancient Christian doctrines like the Real Presence
Wow, you're still on that? Didn't I already respond to this? Hmm, well, I guess that's your coping mechanism. In the future though, learn the difference between Real Presence and Transubstantiation. It may save your life one day, or at least from embarrassment. Too late for the latter, though...
“Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?”
Ask the Thessalonians.
“How do you know?”
Show me where I claimed to.
“How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?”
You’re denying Paul is an Apostle?
“How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?”
Does the Holy Spirit fail? Ever?
“What is your source for verifying all of the above?”
Scripture and Tradition and logic and common sense.
“Please provide the sources for verification purposes.”
Sure. Just as soon as you provide the sources for verification that in any way negate or refute anything I said.
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