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| Wednesday, February 12th, 2014
| Rick Wells
Posted on 02/12/2014 9:14:01 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: af_vet_1981
Oy Vey!
“Miriam is the elect of Israel,”
No. She was chosen by God and granted His grace to bear His son.
“the Virgin of Israel,”
OK.
“and the woman in Genesis (Notice Luke 3 gives her lineage back to Adam and Eve)”
No - and the lineage was to prove not that it was her in Genesis, but to establish Christ’s identity.
“and Revelation (where she is personified as the Israel of God or, if you will, the Israel of God is personified as her)”
No. The Israel of God is Israel. Eisogesis on your part - inserting her to exalt her above what God did.
“because the LORD chose her as a special servant, and because she believed and obeyed.”
Yes. She was “favored by God” - a recipient of grace - not because of works. Not because she believed and obeyed.
“I’m always surprised (I know by now I should be used to it) by what I perceive as an inferiority complex in those (not necessarly you) who want to deny and bring the saints of God down to their level instead of being inspired by their examples of faith and works to gird up your loins to overcome.”
And I am equally amazed at people who claim the name of Christ, who are unfamiliar with His Book and the designation of ALL CHRISTIANS as saints. Who are unfamiliar with the destiny on the throne God has for all Christians. Present company excepted.
“In the case of Miriam there is nothing the adversary can do to separate her, from the love of God which is in her son Messiah Yeshua,”
Right. Exactly like every single Christian according to the Apostle Paul.
“She is the LORD’s humble servant, filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Exactly what every Christian should be.
“She doesn’t need a throne but don’t be offended if she,”
I would be, since women don’t rule in God’s economy. Men rule in God’s economy.
“and the Jewish Apostles, are offered thrones (and don’t be surprised if they try to decline them). “
I believe they will be according to Scripture.
“She is God’s work of redemption,”
No, she birthed God’s work of redemption.
Again, in the end, we should not make less of Mary than God did - nor make more of her than God did.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
- Miriam is the elect of Israel, No. She was chosen by God and granted His grace to bear His son. Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel, physically and spiritually of Israel, is the mother of the Son of God, obeyed the Word of God, remained faithful even through the crucifixion, and was one with the Apostles. Of course she was the elect of Israel. No she is not the Mashiach; she is his mother physically and spiritually. For all our studies we can scarcely conceive of the reality of her faith and experience, and that by the Holy Spirit.
- Yet it is her lineage. It does reach back to Adam and Eve, unlike with Joseph's lineage. God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion.
- Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah. No one is going to separate her from Him.
- Yes it was because she believed and obeyed. That is true faith. Without obedience faith is not real. It is deceit. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
- All believers are called to be saints. If they actually don't live as real saints is their faith illegitimate ?
- since women dont rule in Gods economy. Men rule in Gods economy.
I agree there are differences between Jews and Gentiles, bond and free, men and women on this earth, but do you not agree that beyond it there is no difference ? There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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02/20/2014 8:51:07 PM PST
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af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
- Miriam is the elect of Israel, No. She was chosen by God and granted His grace to bear His son. Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel, physically and spiritually of Israel, is the mother of the Son of God, obeyed the Word of God, remained faithful even through the crucifixion, and was one with the Apostles. Of course she was the elect of Israel. No she is not the Mashiach; she is his mother physically and spiritually. For all our studies we can scarcely conceive of the reality of her faith and experience, and that by the Holy Spirit.
- Yet it is her lineage. It does reach back to Adam and Eve, unlike with Joseph's lineage. God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion.
- Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah. No one is going to separate her from Him.
- Yes it was because she believed and obeyed. That is true faith. Without obedience faith is not real. It is deceit. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
- All believers are called to be saints. If they actually don't live as real saints is their faith illegitimate ?
- since women dont rule in Gods economy. Men rule in Gods economy.
I agree there are differences between Jews and Gentiles, bond and free, men and women on this earth, but do you not agree that beyond it there is no difference ? There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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posted on
02/20/2014 8:52:45 PM PST
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af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
To: af_vet_1981
“Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel”
No.
“Yet it is her lineage. It does reach back to Adam and Eve, unlike with Joseph’s lineage.”
If you insist on making this about Mary, I point out to you that every human traces their lineage back to Adam and Eve. The point of including it was about Christ, not Mary.
“God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion.”
No. Unless you have a verse that proves it.
“Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah.”
No. It is Israel, who also bore Messiah in the figurative language used there.
“Yes it was because she believed and obeyed. That is true faith. Without obedience faith is not real. It is deceit.”
Obedience and works follow faith. She was chosen by God’s sovereign choice without merit on her part.
To: af_vet_1981
“All believers are called to be saints. If they actually don’t live as real saints is their faith illegitimate ?”
ALL real saints have works that follow.
“since women dont rule in Gods economy. Men rule in Gods economy.
I agree there are differences between Jews and Gentiles, bond and free, men and women on this earth, but do you not agree that beyond it there is no difference ?”
There are no women ruling in heaven. God uses men. Why? We do not know. God Himself calls Himself the Father. Not the Mother. It is His choice and His creation here or there.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
- Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel No. "No" is untenable; Miriam is of the House of David, she is the mother of Messiah, and Messiah is the King of Israel.
- Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying , Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth , or in the height above. But Ahaz said , I will not ask , neither will I tempt the LORD. And he said , Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
- Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
- God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion. No. Unless you have a verse that proves it.
- And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
- No matter how many verses I have, I can show Isaiah 53 to the rabbis, who are pious, fear God, are diligent to study, and still they cannot believe. They see Israel, the suffering servant, and not Yeshua of Miriam. It matters not how many verses you show them except the Holy Spirit enlighten them.
- And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
- Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah. No. It is Israel, who also bore Messiah in the figurative language used there.
- He is alive, Miriam is his mother, and she is the elect of Israel. It is untenable to try to separate her from Revelation. She is there too, the Virgin, of Israel, whom the LORD chose to give birth to a sacrifice without blemish. She is personified in Israel, as is Yeshua.
Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God. And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength. And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the Lord hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted. But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me. Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me. - Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
- Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
- And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
There are no women ruling in heaven. God uses men. Why? We do not know. God Himself calls Himself the Father. Not the Mother. It is His choice and His creation here or there. - Untenable; I have already shown from the Scriptures that there is no difference between male and female in heaven. Even in this world God called some women to rule. It really is up to God and when he shows us who he chooses ... well it is bound in heaven and on earth, so to speak.
- And the children of Israel cried unto the Lord: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel. And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment. And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the Lord God of Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun? And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand. And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go. And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the Lord shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.
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02/21/2014 9:38:25 AM PST
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af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
To: af_vet_1981
“He is alive, Miriam is his mother, and she is the elect of Israel. It is untenable to try to separate her from Revelation. She is there too, the Virgin, of Israel, whom the LORD chose to give birth to a sacrifice without blemish. She is personified in Israel, as is Yeshua. “
I am sorry, but you are reading your preconceived ideas into Revelation.
“Untenable; I have already shown from the Scriptures that there is no difference between male and female in heaven. Even in this world God called some women to rule. It really is up to God and when he shows us who he chooses ... well it is bound in heaven and on earth, so to speak. “
There is no male or female in Christ. Not in heaven. Again, you are taking a passage and making it support a preconceived idea that it does not support.
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