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Christian School Drops Nickname – Cites “Offensive” to Muslims
http://www.conservativeinfidel.com ^ | Wednesday, February 12th, 2014 | Rick Wells

Posted on 02/12/2014 9:14:01 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

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To: af_vet_1981

Oy Vey!

“Miriam is the elect of Israel,”

No. She was chosen by God and granted His grace to bear His son.

“the Virgin of Israel,”

OK.

“and the woman in Genesis (Notice Luke 3 gives her lineage back to Adam and Eve)”

No - and the lineage was to prove not that it was her in Genesis, but to establish Christ’s identity.

“and Revelation (where she is personified as the Israel of God or, if you will, the Israel of God is personified as her)”

No. The Israel of God is Israel. Eisogesis on your part - inserting her to exalt her above what God did.

“because the LORD chose her as a special servant, and because she believed and obeyed.”

Yes. She was “favored by God” - a recipient of grace - not because of works. Not because she believed and obeyed.

“I’m always surprised (I know by now I should be used to it) by what I perceive as an inferiority complex in those (not necessarly you) who want to deny and bring the saints of God down to their level instead of being inspired by their examples of faith and works to gird up your loins to overcome.”

And I am equally amazed at people who claim the name of Christ, who are unfamiliar with His Book and the designation of ALL CHRISTIANS as saints. Who are unfamiliar with the destiny on the throne God has for all Christians. Present company excepted.

“In the case of Miriam there is nothing the adversary can do to separate her, from the love of God which is in her son Messiah Yeshua,”

Right. Exactly like every single Christian according to the Apostle Paul.

“She is the LORD’s humble servant, filled with the Holy Spirit.”

Exactly what every Christian should be.

“She doesn’t need a throne but don’t be offended if she,”

I would be, since women don’t rule in God’s economy. Men rule in God’s economy.

“and the Jewish Apostles, are offered thrones (and don’t be surprised if they try to decline them). “

I believe they will be according to Scripture.

“She is God’s work of redemption,”

No, she birthed God’s work of redemption.

Again, in the end, we should not make less of Mary than God did - nor make more of her than God did.


221 posted on 02/20/2014 9:01:41 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
  1. “Miriam is the elect of Israel,” No. She was chosen by God and granted His grace to bear His son. Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel, physically and spiritually of Israel, is the mother of the Son of God, obeyed the Word of God, remained faithful even through the crucifixion, and was one with the Apostles. Of course she was the elect of Israel. No she is not the Mashiach; she is his mother physically and spiritually. For all our studies we can scarcely conceive of the reality of her faith and experience, and that by the Holy Spirit.
  2. Yet it is her lineage. It does reach back to Adam and Eve, unlike with Joseph's lineage. God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion.
  3. Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah. No one is going to separate her from Him.
  4. Yes it was because she believed and obeyed. That is true faith. Without obedience faith is not real. It is deceit. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
  5. All believers are called to be saints. If they actually don't live as real saints is their faith illegitimate ?
  6. since women don’t rule in God’s economy. Men rule in God’s economy.

    I agree there are differences between Jews and Gentiles, bond and free, men and women on this earth, but do you not agree that beyond it there is no difference ? There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


222 posted on 02/20/2014 8:51:07 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
  1. “Miriam is the elect of Israel,” No. She was chosen by God and granted His grace to bear His son. Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel, physically and spiritually of Israel, is the mother of the Son of God, obeyed the Word of God, remained faithful even through the crucifixion, and was one with the Apostles. Of course she was the elect of Israel. No she is not the Mashiach; she is his mother physically and spiritually. For all our studies we can scarcely conceive of the reality of her faith and experience, and that by the Holy Spirit.
  2. Yet it is her lineage. It does reach back to Adam and Eve, unlike with Joseph's lineage. God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion.
  3. Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah. No one is going to separate her from Him.
  4. Yes it was because she believed and obeyed. That is true faith. Without obedience faith is not real. It is deceit. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
  5. All believers are called to be saints. If they actually don't live as real saints is their faith illegitimate ?
  6. since women don’t rule in God’s economy. Men rule in God’s economy.

    I agree there are differences between Jews and Gentiles, bond and free, men and women on this earth, but do you not agree that beyond it there is no difference ? There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


223 posted on 02/20/2014 8:52:45 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981

“Yes. She is of the royal family of Israel”

No.

“Yet it is her lineage. It does reach back to Adam and Eve, unlike with Joseph’s lineage.”

If you insist on making this about Mary, I point out to you that every human traces their lineage back to Adam and Eve. The point of including it was about Christ, not Mary.

“God chose to place the Holy Spirit in her in an unprecedented fashion.”

No. Unless you have a verse that proves it.

“Yes, that is her in Revelation; she bore the Messiah.”

No. It is Israel, who also bore Messiah in the figurative language used there.

“Yes it was because she believed and obeyed. That is true faith. Without obedience faith is not real. It is deceit.”

Obedience and works follow faith. She was chosen by God’s sovereign choice without merit on her part.


224 posted on 02/21/2014 6:35:19 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: af_vet_1981

“All believers are called to be saints. If they actually don’t live as real saints is their faith illegitimate ?”

ALL real saints have works that follow.

“since women don’t rule in God’s economy. Men rule in God’s economy.
I agree there are differences between Jews and Gentiles, bond and free, men and women on this earth, but do you not agree that beyond it there is no difference ?”

There are no women ruling in heaven. God uses men. Why? We do not know. God Himself calls Himself the Father. Not the Mother. It is His choice and His creation here or there.


225 posted on 02/21/2014 6:37:29 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

226 posted on 02/21/2014 9:38:25 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981

“He is alive, Miriam is his mother, and she is the elect of Israel. It is untenable to try to separate her from Revelation. She is there too, the Virgin, of Israel, whom the LORD chose to give birth to a sacrifice without blemish. She is personified in Israel, as is Yeshua. “

I am sorry, but you are reading your preconceived ideas into Revelation.

“Untenable; I have already shown from the Scriptures that there is no difference between male and female in heaven. Even in this world God called some women to rule. It really is up to God and when he shows us who he chooses ... well it is bound in heaven and on earth, so to speak. “

There is no male or female in Christ. Not in heaven. Again, you are taking a passage and making it support a preconceived idea that it does not support.


227 posted on 02/21/2014 10:16:12 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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