Amen.
Compare and contrast:
Posted on 01/20/2014 7:56:27 PM PST by NYer
The below quote from the comments section of the article sums up Dolan.
“I think it will probably prompt Cardinal Dolan to throw a dinner in Cuomo’s honor”
Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/cuomo-excommunicates-catholics#ixzz2r2yUELOj
“Why is it so many liberal, pro-gay, pro-abortion politicians are Roman Catholic”.
The same reason so many are protestants. Calling yourself a Christian just because you were baptised no more makes you a practicing Christian than working on your car in the garage makes you a master mechanic.
Hypocracy cuts through all denominations.
YOU said it all. “God is allowing much strangeness”.
The times are eerie. The Church in the US seems sleepy. The government is falling into socialist fiat.
Knowing from whence cometh our help, I’m not sure the elections will mean all that we hope for, even if they should go our way. I think many of us believe this is no ordinary political battle, but one between good and evil.
OTOH, nations have fallen around the world throughout history, and as long as it wasn’t here, in the US, we never thought the world would end. Now that the threat looms over us at last, we Americans tend to believe it’s the close of the age, that God is surely coming. Thx, stanne.
Well, I don’t know if the world is going to end soon, I wasn’t saying that, (Jesus told us no one knows, so I never mess around with that prediction), but I’m not holding my breath that Cardinal Dolan will step away from working on amnesty and gun control to tell the baby killing catholic in name governor to quit persecuting New York, American Catholics
“Cuomo’s Friday radio comments that “extreme conservatives” “have no place in the state of New York” are generating a good deal of public reaction, some of it quite furious, in the press, but readers who rely on the New York Times for their news are missing the story, which so far as I can tell the Times has so far totally ignored, or missed, which is strange”
The right is always told to remain civil while the left raises a ruckus. Not only a ruckus, but every vile act one could conceive! I don’t say that we should join them, but to be silent is not working!
Yes, I know what you mean. We all anxiously await a statement from the Cardinal that, just once, is the correct one and not one that rambles off into another of his endless punch lines.
The time it has taken seems to me to indicate there might be hope that something serious is up, for a change.
No. Cardinal Dolan is not looking at what goes on. Seeing him at that Al Smith dinner glad handing Obama, a publically avowed baby killer; taking up Achbshp Gomez’ cause for amnesty, Gomez being an immigrant and surely under penalty not to interfere with legislation; wimping on the HHS mandate; publically pronouncing solidarity with Obama on gun regulation; saying not a word about the nuns.
He’s just not aware.
If we only had the courageous Cardinal O’Connor !
But down the road, the right may very well will have to end up doing just that.
It's now 4 days .... SILENCE. NRO has an interview with him that predates the Cuomo comment; however, the article opens with comments made by Cardinal Dolan, outside St. Patrick's Cathedral on Sunday.
‘We have to come to the assistance of the poor and the vulnerable,” Cardinal Timothy Michael Dolan said outside St. Patrick’s Cathedral after Mass on Sunday morning. “Wherever the dignity of human life . . . is threatened,” people of faith have a “sacred responsibility,” he said, to “speak up” and “come to the assistance” of those whose civil rights are endangered, most especially “the innocent baby in the womb.”
Cardinal Dolan on the Civil Rights of the Unborn
IOW, "we" catholics must defend the sanctity of life but don't count on him to lead the charge. Dolan's approach with politicians, media and others in the public forum, is one of back slapping, happy go lucky, giddy, smiling catholic, believing he can curry favor with honey and smiles. He is non-confrontational. No backbone graphic for him.
Amen.
Compare and contrast:
I recall as a kid in 1952-53 I used to walk to church with my grandmother, then we picked up the NY Times before she visited my grandfather’s grave in Plattsburgh, NY. Back then the NY Times was not just a pile of elephant dung like today. Upstate NY was very conservative back then. I recall “I like IKE” buttons.
It is hard for me to judge Cardinal Dolan on why he has not spoken out about Cuomo’s idiotic remarks, but I certainly hope he says something.....soon. If not, he does a great disservice to God and good people everywhere.
I think it is a given that professing the Christian faith and exhibiting a changed life through the fruit of the Spirit are not always simultaneous. No one is arguing hypocrisy is a Catholic-only character trait. But to challenge you a wee bit more on this point, why don't you identify all the Evangelical "Protestants" in the world of politics who are liberal, pro-gay and pro-abortion? Do any particular names just pop immediately to the surface like the ones that identify as Roman Catholics do? You know, like any of the Kennedys, the Cuomos, the Kerrys, the Pelousies, Biden, and so forth?
I bring up Evangelical Protestants simply to demonstrate that that sets Christians apart from those who claim membership in many of the mainline Protestant denominations - and which many HAVE departed from the faith and you'll get no argument from me on that.
But the subject of this thread was the "sins of the fathers" - meaning the bishops in America - who have stood by while liberal politicians, who identify as Catholic, thumb their noses at all the social issues their church has deemed right and do so blatantly, while for all practical purposes, moving in the exact OPPOSITE direction furthering the decline of morality in this country. Why not direct your ire at them instead of working so hard to incriminate everyone else as "just as bad"???
>> NY Governor Andrew Cuomo’s Friday outburst that there’s “no place” in his state for pro-lifers and supporters of traditional marriage
State residents scared, in despair...
Unfortunately, many wonderful NYers will take this dirtbag seriously.
Okay then, Mr Evangelical Protestant, how many Conservative Catholics can you identify as being liberal, pro-gay, and pro-abort?
I agree these people are a disgrace and shouldn’t be referred to as Catholics, but let’s not forget about all the protestants that are the majority in both parties that give us pro-abortion and homosexual “rights” ever time they vote.
The National Rights to Life Committee was started by Catholics and now includes many pro-life protestants. It has been responsible for electing the majority of the pro-life politicians in Congress.
http://www.nrlpac.org/about_us.htm
Overall, 48% of the members of the new Congress are Democrats, and 52% are Republicans.
Looking at the partisan breakdown of the various religious groups, Lutherans are almost evenly divided between the parties (52% Democrats and 48% Republicans). The other sizable Protestant groups (Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians and Episcopalians) – as well as Protestants as a whole – have more Republicans than Democrats. The same is true for Mormons; 12 of the 15 Mormon members of the new Congress are Republicans. Catholics are slightly tilted toward the Democrats (57%-43%). Jewish members are mostly Democratic (97%); in fact, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is the only Jewish Republican in Congress. The other non-Christian groups (Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus and Unitarians) are comprised exclusively of Democrats. All the members of Congress who did not specify a religion are also Democrats.
Looking at the religious breakdown of the political parties, 69% of congressional Republicans are Protestant, while fewer than half of Democrats (42%) belong to Protestant denominational families. (This includes newly elected independent Angus King of Maine, who has said he will caucus with Senate Democrats.) On the other hand, Catholics make up a greater share of Democratic members (37%) than they do of GOP members (25%). And while Jews make up 13% of all congressional Democrats (including one independent who generally caucuses with the Democrats, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont), they account for less than 1% of congressional Republicans. http://www.pewforum.org/2012/11/16/faith-on-the-hill-the-religious-composition-of-the-113th-congress/
More Protestants than Catholics in the Congress. The majority
of the democrats that are Catholic coming from the liberal Northeast. In my book every one of them are hypocrites of the first degree by belonging to the party of death. There is no such thing a as pro-life democrat. If you are in the party of death and homosexuals then you agree with it. Pretty cut and dry to me. Thanks for the numbers.
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