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Pope Francis’ Protestant Meditation on Our Lady
Catholic Family News ^ | December 22, 2013 | John Vennari

Posted on 01/05/2014 9:52:14 AM PST by ebb tide

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To: piusv
I’m sure that could be said about A LOT of posters and I would argue that that is part and parcel of discussion forums. I would also argue that those that are “annoyed” are also very good at “annoying” others with their inability to see the other POV. And yet again, I don’t see them suggesting their lack of good faith or future banning.

Thanks for the ping. Agree, seems extremely petty to want other posters banned for what amounts to a difference of opinion. And you're right about the "annoyed" being annoying in their own right. Cuts both ways.

81 posted on 01/07/2014 6:29:06 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: annalex; piusv
Posters get banned individually for their own behavior.

Sometimes posters foolishly believe there is 'strength in numbers' when confronting the site's owner. Big mistake.

Only once was a group baited - and that by me - when a number of suspicious new RF posters arrived having a similar theology to that of certain white supremacists. They were trying to infiltrate this forum. They bit as a group, they were banned each and every one.

82 posted on 01/07/2014 7:02:30 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: ebb tide
Pope Francis’ Protestant Meditation...

I don't care to debate the merits of the Pope's homily, but I fail to see how the pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church can be 'Protestant'.

The author doesn't appear to understand that particular word, IMO.

83 posted on 01/07/2014 7:07:57 AM PST by MortMan ("Marriage" as a legal concept is the state piggy backing on the Church.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you for clarifying. I didn’t think what was being suggested was in fact what happens here.


84 posted on 01/07/2014 1:50:48 PM PST by piusv
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To: SpirituTuo; ebb tide; piusv

I doubt that ebbtide has a miter to remove, but those of us who love the Blessed Virgin Mary commend him for posting this article. While many do not recognize Mary’s unique place in God’s plan—and very often they identify themselves as Protestant, agnostic, or atheistic—we know the pedestal she has been placed on is very high, and God has placed her there.

Mary, with her singular nature “could possibly have had thoughts of anguish, discouragement, and other emotions,” as SpirituTuo states. For the Pope to suggest she could have thought, “Lies, I was deceived!” is going too far. Mary did not suffer from the effects of original sin; how could she think that GOD had lied to or deceived her? As has already been pointed out, her life was founded on trust of God.

Pope Francis is often inexact in his phrasing. His conjecture is unbelievable when applied to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Once again—as he so often does—Francis has put his foot in his mouth. The subject of his sermon is the spiritual necessity of silence in our lives. His speculations on Mary’s thoughts are distracting as well as distressing.

Francis ends by referring to Pope John Paul II’s statement (there are no quotation marks to indicate Francis is quoting and not paraphrasing): “But she, with her silence, hid the mystery that she did not understand and with this silence allowed for this mystery to grow and blossom in hope.” Perhaps Francis should have followed her example!

Mother of Our Savior, Mother of Good Counsel, Virgin Most Prudent, Seat of Wisdom, Cause of Our Joy, pray for us.


85 posted on 01/12/2014 10:36:53 PM PST by ubipetrusest (Abortion and infanticide are unspeakable crimes, Gaudium et Spes, Vatican II)
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My general issue is that people are very quick to criticize the Holy Father, and gladly consume what is printed in the media with little or no verification.

Regarding what the Holy Father said specifically, when discussing hypotheticals, anything is possible, that is why it is hypothetical.

In my opinion, we need to focus on the substance of the message, not the style or delivery.


86 posted on 01/13/2014 6:02:12 AM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: ubipetrusest

Beautiful post! Thank-you.


87 posted on 01/13/2014 8:04:25 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: SpirituTuo
Regarding what the Holy Father said specifically, when discussing hypotheticals, anything is possible, that is why it is hypothetical.

"Anything is possible?" What kind of comfort is that? The Pope could next throw out a hypothetical that Hell is empty, "anything is possible".

88 posted on 01/13/2014 8:10:52 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Correct. “Anything is possible” rarely goes hand in hand with Traditional Catholic teachings.


89 posted on 01/15/2014 2:28:49 PM PST by piusv
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