It's Sad How Wrong Pope Francis Is (Unless It's a Deliberate Mistranslation By Leftists)

Rushlimbaugh.com ^ | November 27, 2013

[Alex Murphy]

If it weren't for capitalism, I don't know where the Catholic Church would be.

Limbaugh ping for later

[Biggirl]

A local mid-morning conservative talkradio show host, who is a friend of mine, yesterday went off on a “classic rant” on what Pope Francis said about capitalism. Said this was because Pope Francis is a Jesuit and was upset about the Jesuits.

I was wondering more because even though Pope Francis is a Jesuit, his spirituality leans more like the Francisians who tended to be concerned both the poor and creation.

Thank-you to you NYer and anyone else who can take the time today to answer in response. Happy Thanksgivng Day!

[Little Ray]

Apparently the Pontiff has missed the hundreds of millions slaughtered by and the utter poverty and misery perpetrated by the State and its “guardians” over the last century.
The “invisible hand” of the market has done a lot better than the average government.
ALMOST makes me glad that Obama is thinking about closing the embassy to the Vatican...

[Little Ray]

Oh, really?

Then why is he talking about “the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control”?

Apparently, somewhere along the line, this Pope missed the hundreds of millions slaughtered by, and the utter poverty and misery perpetrated by “the state.” In the name of the common good, of course.

The invisible hand of the market has done a hell of a lot better than the average state in helping people out of poverty.

[taildragger]

I have never met a Catholic priest who is not a socialist

In the late 80's in the Peoples Socialist Republik of Taxachuetts, their was a ballot initiative their version of California Prop 13 which would have made Massachusetts dramatically restructure and make government smaller. It was defeated with numbers like 84% to 16%. But the kicker was at Sunday Mass during the sermon, many a Priest asked the parishioners to vote against it..... Beam me Up Scotty...

[FourtySeven]

Spoken like a true capitalist.

Enjoy your possessions!

[Mr Rogers]

“Spoken like a true capitalist. / Enjoy your possessions!”

Thank you! I do enjoy not being poor. After all, I’ve worked hard and saved and gone without so that I can be in the middle class and provide for my family.

[Agamemnon]

Oh, I’ve heard that parable many times.

Yet you unthinkingly hold this "scholar," Herzog and his narrow if not entirely twisted "this to the exclusion of that" interpretations of the Parables of Jesus to be something relevant.

Herzog is the Vice President for Academic Affairs and Dean of the Faculty, Andover Newton Theological School - the same liberal institution which cranked out the likes of "liberation theologian" Harvey Cox, now deceased former vice president of the liberal National Council of Churches, Jane Cary Peck, and "Obama-ton" community organizer, Orlando E. Costas.

And why is it again that as a conservative and a Christian I should care what a mal-intentioned liberal hack like Herzog thinks about anything?

Instead of quoting some too-clever-by-half liberal dolt like this, why don't you see if you can actually come up with anything truly novel and formulaic yourself.

Any right-thinking Christian needn't dwell too long on the interpretations of anything found in the Gospels as espoused by liberals who in their worldview are enemies of the Gospels.

Might want to start by reading the parable straight forwardly for a change.

FReegards!

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[21] ...For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretence of succsession to St. Peter, their whole hierarchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared not unfitly to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start out of the ruins of that heathen power.

[22] The language also which they use (both in the churches and in theirpublic acts) being Latin, which is not commonly used by any nationnow in the world, what is it but the ghost of the old Roman language?

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.
Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] And first, for the tormentors, we have their nature and properties exactly and properly delivered by the names of the Enemy (or Satan), the Accuser (or Diabolus), the Destroyer (or Abaddon). Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.

[13] And because by the Enemy, the Accuser, and Destroyer, is meant the enemy of them that shall be in the kingdom of God, therefore if the kingdom of God after the resurrection be upon the earth (as in the former Chapter I have shewn by Scripture it seems to be), the Enemy and his kingdom must be on earth also. For so also was it in the time before the Jews had deposed God. For God's kingdom was in Israel, and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy; and consequently, by Satan is meant any earthly enemy of the Church.

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

Besides these sovereign powers, divine and human, of which I have hitherto discoursed, there is mention in Scripture of another power, namely, that of "the rulers of the darkness of this world," [Ephesians, 6. 12] "the kingdom of Satan," [Matthew, 12. 26] and "the principality of Beelzebub over demons," [Ibid., 9. 34] that is to say, over phantasms that appear in the air: for which cause Satan is also called "the prince of the power of the air";[Ephesians, 2. 2] and, because he ruleth in the darkness of this world, "the prince of this world":[John, 16. 11] and in consequence hereunto, they who are under his dominion, in opposition to the faithful, who are the "children of the light," are called the "children of darkness." For seeing Beelzebub is prince of phantasms, inhabitants of his dominion of air and darkness, the children of darkness, and these demons, phantasms, or spirits of illusion, signify allegorically the same thing. This considered, the kingdom of darkness, as it is set forth in these and other places of the Scripture, is nothing else but a confederacy of deceivers that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavour, by dark and erroneous doctrines, to extinguish in them the light, both of nature and of the gospel; and so to disprepare them for the kingdom of God to come.

Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

The last crusade was against the Orthodox Church...

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[21] ...For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretence of succsession to St. Peter, their whole hierarchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared not unfitly to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start out of the ruins of that heathen power.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Read up on Jesuits. They’ve been the MOST LIBERAL order forever, the socialists of the Church. None of this surprises me. It sounds kind and good in principle, but it practice it is liberal and socialist and will weaken the Church further,IMO.

Also read about its founder Loyola, he received his inspiration to found the Jesuit order on a vision of a serpent!

[annalex]

The culture of prosperity deadens us

Very well said. I understand that the desire for smartphones and similar gadgetry pays salaries (mostly in China), but I fail to see, despite all Rush's huffing and puffing, how these gadgets improved American spirituality.

[dfwgator]

Capitalism is a morality-neutral system, it can be a force for good, or a force for bad....depends on the people within the system.

Whereas, Socialism or any centralized political and economic system is inherently evil.

[Agamemnon]

My time is at least as valuable as yours.

Got some "money" quote in there somewhere that you'd like to point to?

FReegards!