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Will Gay Marriage Derail Evangelical Support for Israel?
Pajamas Media ^ | 11/13/2013 | RHONDA ROBINSON

Posted on 11/14/2013 9:22:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Jewbacca
It could, although marriage has more civil significance in the USA than Israel. I tend to not understand the resistance of recognizing marriage a religious rite and minimizing its legal impact.

No sh*t, that's really what it's all about. The income tax impact can be significant, it's my understanding it's minimal in Israel. And then there's the estate tax, I forget, what are the estate taxes in Israel. Insurance is an issue too

I recall when the draft ended, the war protests subsided. I'm sure it was a coincidence. Were there no tax and insurance benefits in the US tax code, gay marriage would be a minor issue.

21 posted on 11/14/2013 2:48:36 PM PST by SJackson (if you want to test a manÂ’s character, give him power A Lincoln)
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To: SeekAndFind
Is the one refusing to provide service on religious grounds liable for disobeying the law ( like they are in the USA )?

What is the law? Are people forced to set aside their beliefs and serve the perverts?

22 posted on 11/14/2013 2:50:01 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jewbacca

Half the churches in this country would perform gay marriages, how would that be “un-confuddled”?

Make it simple, marriage is between a man and a woman, period and recognized as such by society.


23 posted on 11/14/2013 2:52:26 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SeekAndFind
Unfortunately, the State of Israel is a thoroughly secular, Hellenized, "western" state, which means that it (and Tel 'Aviv in particular) is the "gay" capital of the Middle East. Even ultra-right winger Moshe Feiglin (the, lehavdil, "Ron Paul" of Israel) has met with homosexual leaders to assure them he isn't going to bother them.

It also permits practically unlimited abortion--a policy which Charedi Jews oppose. I have read a rabbi's speculation that terrorism and violence in Israel may be a punishment for allowing Halakhically indefensible abortions.

The ironic thing is that, even though Israeli policy is exactly what the "gays" want, they oppose it and support the Arabs and moslems. Why? Because Arabs and moslems are their fellow "oppressed." That those same "oppressed" moslems would kill them means absolutely nothing to them. The Hegelian dialectic (thesis/antithesis) determines where one's loyalty lies.

24 posted on 11/14/2013 2:55:34 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cyprus is a popular destination for residents of Israel who want a civil marriage.


25 posted on 11/14/2013 3:34:41 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SeekAndFind

“Let’s say we have a Jewish couple who are not particularly religious who were civilly married outside Israel and then went on to migrate to Israel, surely Israel will recognize that marriage”

Yes.

Also, lets say we have a Jewish couple in Israel who are NOT RELIGIOUS ( in fact, atheistic), who want to marry, where can they go if not be married civilly?

It depends. If they are both actually Jewish under the law (by birth or Orthodox conversion), they can get married pretty easily by any number of folks.

If one is not Jewish (including someone who would be considered Jewish under the law of return -— e.g., a Jewish father, but gentile mother), they can’t get married and have to go outside the country.

Same with Christians, Muslims, whatever.

You have to get married under the rules of your group.


26 posted on 11/14/2013 3:56:33 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: GeronL

“Half the churches in this country would perform gay marriages, how would that be “un-confuddled”?”

Well, it’s like someone being baptized to me. I don’t care.

Or me having a bar mitzvah to you. You don’t care.

The Church of What’s Happening Now can declare two queers married. I’m fine with that, provided I get to say they two queers and whatever they are doing, it’s not marriage in my eyes.

It’s this second part that liberals don’t get.

They want us to recognize their perversion as legitimate.

I say, make it a non-issue and let us all be free to disagree.

And yes, I know liberals won’t agree to this, as their purpose is the destruction of Judeo-Christian heterosexual marriage.


27 posted on 11/14/2013 3:59:32 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“I have read a rabbi’s speculation that terrorism and violence in Israel may be a punishment for allowing Halakhically indefensible abortions.”

Is it in English and if you could be so kind, his name, and if book, title?


28 posted on 11/15/2013 6:35:07 AM PST by huldah1776
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